Shootout at the OK Corral: Radikon v. Movia

Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
My niece is married to a Croatian/Montenegrin architect who knows the difference between Slovenia, Slavonia e Slovakia. Having invited them to a Xmas tasting, I pulled out some potentially weirdo wines from that neck of the woods. These are wines Ive been curious about but have little experience with. All decanted for two hours and served at around 15C (but its pretty warm in Sao Paulo now, so temperatures gradually rose in the glasses to about 22C).

2003 Radikon Oslavje IGT Venezia Giulia 1000ml
A blend of 40% Chardonnay, 30% Pinot Grigio and 30% Sauvignon Blanc. No SO2 added. Turbid orange. Model airplane glue and acetone aromas. Tannic, chunky mouth feel, healthy acidity, oddly hard to pinpoint a specific fruit in its fruitiness. Has an annoying yeasty finish. Like an alcoholic orange pekoe or herbal infusion.

2003 Radikon Ribolla Gialla IGT Venezia Giulia 1000ml
No SO2 added (bottle says 12mg present). Also from the House of (turbid) Orange. Very similar aromas, more subdued. Less fruity, in fact less everything, otherwise very similar to the Oslavje. More satisfying because it doesnt have the yeasty finish (only a bit after it warms). People around the table seemed to perceive more differences between the two Radikons, but I got the impression that both spoke more of how they are made than of their respective grape varieties.

2007 Movia Lunar Ribolla Gialla Slovenia Brda 12.5%
Made by allowing whole bunches to ferment, age, and stabilize without intervention. As close to throwing everything-but-the-kitchen-sink into the kitchen sink to ferment. The moon plays a timing role that Id rather not know about, lest I become a lunatic. Less orange, less turbid, less tannic, but much more lovely. After the Radikons reticence, I welcome identifiable aromas, like anis, sage, jasmine, brine, citrus and honey. Good mouth weight. Acidity and sweetness in perfect balance. Sensual and intellectual pleasures also inperfect balance, so put your money on this bona fide honey, kickass and brilliant.

2004 Movia Pinot Nero Slovenia Brda 12.5%
Exotic gunpowder infused sour cherry with cloves and a pleasantly metallic zing. Tastes herbal, with strong acidity and more tannins than your average Bourgogne. Slightly lacking in mid palate, as if a wee dilute. As it warmed, the acidity became stronger than the fruit, preventing me from swooning. But Marcia really loved it. I preferred the Lunar. To each his Movia. But try pronouncing Brda. It was satisfying (perhaps more intellectually than sensually) to drink a pinot in which the grape's peerless terroir channeling ability (yadda yadda) is allowed to express the inner child freely instead of being arm locked into transpiring gobs of oak, cocoa and alcohol.

Though not really set up as a confrontation, the tasting seemed to acquire that character as the evening progressed. The Radikons seemed, well, radical in their Spartan stone-facedness, completely unwilling to kiss ass. Not one iota, and this is a pleasure business, last I heard. In comparison, the Movias seemed almost warm and fuzzy, in a "let me take you by the hand and show you a good time" way. From this limited sample, I would say that I am a Movia man, who wouldnt mind sitting in outdoor cafs in Slovakia drinking Slovenian wine aged in Slavonian oak.

As an afterthought, we moved to something completely different, a Uruguayan late harvest wine:
2005 Pisano EtxeOneko Licor de Tannat Uruguay 17.5%
Molasses, coffee, cloves, stewed prunes, tea. Surprisingly strong acidity, a good match for the powerful sweetness. Nice bitter finish. Not complex but well crafted (from a linear programming/maximisation point of view), and a bit of a revelation, considering the paucity of decent southern cone late harvest wines. A winna from down undah.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Perhaps not entirely fair limiting Radikon to 2003s.

True, though a lack of acidity didn't seem to be the problem (to the extent there was one), even with a lower acidity grape like Ribolla. Have you liked them in other vintages?
 
oswaldo, not sure how long you have been lurking, but this is a write up of a memorable evening that brother levi threw a while back concerning this very subject:

 
Oswaldo, I've loved them in quite a few other vintages, and have sometimes even liked them in 2003. I generally much prefer Radikon to Movia, though bottle-by-bottle brings different results, and with wines such as these performance is not constant. At least, that's my experience.

The reason I posted is that I felt you were drawing some pretty strong conclusions from a single vintage that's known to be atypical. Just a caution, not an assertion of wrongness.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
oswaldo, not sure how long you have been lurking, but this is a write up of a memorable evening that brother levi threw a while back concerning this very subject:


Thanks, Scott, for the excellent write-up.

originally posted by Thor:
Oswaldo, I've loved them in quite a few other vintages, and have sometimes even liked them in 2003. I generally much prefer Radikon to Movia, though bottle-by-bottle brings different results, and with wines such as these performance is not constant. At least, that's my experience.

The reason I posted is that I felt you were drawing some pretty strong conclusions from a single vintage that's known to be atypical. Just a caution, not an assertion of wrongness.

Understood. In your post, liked many things, but loved the metaphor of tannin as a pedal tone beneath orange wines. On ageworthiness, very interesting about how softening tannins may deprive them of a necessary counterpoint.
 
nice report and nice repartee

has anyone figured out food (aside from oft mentioned uni) that would work with something like radikon?

movia....i'm a big fan of both the puro rose and the nero. graceful stuff.
 
The Radikons served a risotto of one of the local variants of radicchio (the mottled one, can't remember the name) infused with what I presume, by the taste, was ham hock. That worked brilliantly.
 
risotto sounds good Thor....esp seafood types

i am not at all sure that orange wines are non-food wines, but they seem on the surface to act that way...
 
Other than uni, the best use I've yet found for [generic orange wine] is with the cheese course. The usual care must be exerted, and blue is still its own special problem, but as someone who never really thought red wines worked with anything except the salty hard stuff, but was rarely all that enthralled with whites either (except for sauvignon blanc with goat milk), the orange wine flavors and structure bridge a wider gap than usual. The tannin cuts through the meltier cheeses, the tannin plus orange wines' richness does well with the aforementioned hard/salty cheeses, and there's a surprising affinity with both goatish stuff and the range of semi-hard mountain cheeses. Even the weight of the alcohol, so often a worrisome element, makes itself useful at this stage of the meal.

Plus, an orange wine (of the brawnier style) can actually follow heavy reds, which most whites don't do so easily. Try it out.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Plus, an orange wine (of the brawnier style) can actually follow heavy reds, which most whites don't do so easily.

I have found this to be a key part of the appeal of these wines on a professional level. If you are faced with designing a multi-course pairing menu, you are often put in rubik's cube situations of white after red that orange wines can solve quite nicely.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Other than uni, the best use I've yet found for [generic orange wine] is with the cheese course. Care still must be exerted, and blue is still its own problem, but as someone who never really thought red wines worked with anything except the salty hard stuff, but was rarely all that enthralled with whites either (except for sauvignon blanc with chvre), the orange wine flavors and structure bridge a wider gap than usual. The tannin cuts through the meltier cheeses, tannin plus richness does well with the aforementioned hard/salty cheeses, and there's a surprising affinity with both goatish stuff and the range of semi-hard mountain cheeses. Even the weight of the alcohol, so often a worrisome element, makes itself useful at this stage of the meal. Plus, an orange wine (of the brawnier style) can actually follow heavy reds, which most whites don't do so easily. Try it out.

Completely agree with that.

As far as paella goes, the more fish in it the better, IMO.
 
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