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'72 Burgs
- Thread starter Lee Short
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Jay Miller
Jay Miller
I've had very good luck with '72s.
originally posted by Lee Short:
The wine in question is the '72. Schneider's of Capitol Hill. They had 17 bottles remaining when I got off the phone with them.
'72 of what?
I assume he means the Briailles PV. Vineyard is not designated on the website.
Good price, but this comes from a period Coates describes as underperforming for the estate, due to a combination of replanting (= very young vines) and neglect.
No personal experience to report, though.
Good price, but this comes from a period Coates describes as underperforming for the estate, due to a combination of replanting (= very young vines) and neglect.
No personal experience to report, though.
originally posted by slaton:
I assume he means the Briailles PV. Vineyard is not designated on the website.
Good price, but this comes from a period Coates describes as underperforming for the estate, due to a combination of wide replanting (= very young vines) and neglect.
No personal experience to report, though.
I think Sasha mentioned the same thing; that Briailles didn't really get good until the mid-80s when the family started to take a more active role in the vineyard. It was part of the reason why I was a little leery of buying a bottle for myself.
But, I ended up getting one, if for no other reason but to try a very old burg for a moderate price. Hopefully it will turn out ok.
Andrew Zachary
Andrew Zachary
Er -- not to put a wrench in the whole process, but I've had very bad luck with older wines from Schneider's. I bought some 93 Donnhoff's from them, specifically asking if the bottles were in good condition, fill, no seepage, etc. Well, you can guess the denouement, certainly. Cooked, cooked, cooked. And capsules, labels and side of bottles were covered with wine that had seeped out past the cork. As our previous President once remarked,
"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
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originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by slaton:
I assume he means the Briailles PV. Vineyard is not designated on the website.
Good price, but this comes from a period Coates describes as underperforming for the estate, due to a combination of wide replanting (= very young vines) and neglect.
No personal experience to report, though.
I think Sasha mentioned the same thing; that Briailles didn't really get good until the mid-80s when the family started to take a more active role in the vineyard. It was part of the reason why I was a little leery of buying a bottle for myself.
But, I ended up getting one, if for no other reason but to try a very old burg for a moderate price. Hopefully it will turn out ok.
.sasha did say that. What's interesting, however, is how quickly things turned around - for example, 85 Bressandes is already quite wonderful, if not in the same league as 88 or 91.
originally posted by Yule Kim:
But, I ended up getting one, if for no other reason but to try a very old burg for a moderate price. Hopefully it will turn out ok.
Open it and put us out of our mysterious curious misery!
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
But, I ended up getting one, if for no other reason but to try a very old burg for a moderate price. Hopefully it will turn out ok.
Open it and put us out of our mysterious curious misery!
Will do.
17 bottles. That sounds like a cellar release rather than from a cellar purchase. In that case it could even be reconditioned. Fresh label? Importer strip?
Each item presents a new case despite Andrew's bad luck. If the bottle is sound, and original, I suspect it will be a bit tight and bound up, then it will open over about 45-60 mins to being correct and pleasant but not distinguished. Light cherry and wild strawberry, sous bois, that kind of thing. That's my prediction.
I hope it's enjoyable anyway.
Each item presents a new case despite Andrew's bad luck. If the bottle is sound, and original, I suspect it will be a bit tight and bound up, then it will open over about 45-60 mins to being correct and pleasant but not distinguished. Light cherry and wild strawberry, sous bois, that kind of thing. That's my prediction.
I hope it's enjoyable anyway.
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
17 bottles. That sounds like a cellar release rather than from a cellar purchase. In that case it could even be reconditioned. Fresh label? Importer strip?
Each item presents a new case despite Andrew's bad luck. If the bottle is sound, and original, I suspect it will be a bit tight and bound up, then it will open over about 45-60 mins to being correct and pleasant but not distinguished. Light cherry and wild strawberry, sous bois, that kind of thing. That's my prediction.
I hope it's enjoyable anyway.
I called and inquired...they said it came from a private cellar from England. Somebody storing wine in an old bomb bunker. I passed as it seemed like a lot of travel for a questionable wine to start with. Great price though and those with more of a gambling streak than me might get a nice payout.
originally posted by Brian C:
I passed as it seemed like a lot of travel for a questionable wine to start with.
Is $40 really a gamble for 35 year old Burgundy? Provenance sounds reasonable, shit that's a giveaway.
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by Brian C:
I passed as it seemed like a lot of travel for a questionable wine to start with.
Is $40 really a gamble for 35 year old Burgundy? Provenance sounds reasonable, shit that's a giveaway.
Point well taken
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
Is $40 really a gamble for 35 year old Burgundy? Provenance sounds reasonable, shit that's a giveaway.
Anything is a gamble if you value your money and have other ways to spend it.
(Not that I'm saying the price is too high)
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by slaton:
I assume he means the Briailles PV. Vineyard is not designated on the website.
Good price, but this comes from a period Coates describes as underperforming for the estate, due to a combination of wide replanting (= very young vines) and neglect.
No personal experience to report, though.
I think Sasha mentioned the same thing; that Briailles didn't really get good until the mid-80s when the family started to take a more active role in the vineyard. It was part of the reason why I was a little leery of buying a bottle for myself.
But, I ended up getting one, if for no other reason but to try a very old burg for a moderate price. Hopefully it will turn out ok.
.sasha did say that. What's interesting, however, is how quickly things turned around - for example, 85 Bressandes is already quite wonderful, if not in the same league as 88 or 91.
earliest I've had was the 1990 Clos de Roi. That and the '93 were both certainly of very high quality.
earliest I've had was the 1990 Clos de Roi. That and the '93 were both certainly of very high quality.
I have a stock of the 88 Ile de Vergelesses. It was still a little tight last bottle I tried. Showed good potential, though. That was probably a couple of year ago, though. Maybe I'll open one with a '72.
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
Is $40 really a gamble for 35 year old Burgundy? Provenance sounds reasonable, shit that's a giveaway.
Anything is a gamble if you value your money and have other ways to spend it.
(Not that I'm saying the price is too high)
The context is Burgundy, money and value have no meaning there...
or,
if you aren't prepared to gamble your money, never mind worry about value, then stay away from
Burgundy.