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Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
By Duchamps. I remember this from reading reams of things when I was researching "Fountain." I don't remember if Duchamps said it in an interview or someone said it having looked at the object. And if it were Duchamps, he might, of course, have been lying. Still, the history of remounting of "Fountain," frequently with different urinals, different bases, but always a similarly placed signature, one would have thought to be enough to make the point.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Perhaps we both agree that the readymade was a fundamental contribution and perhaps we can agree that we are not doing its spirit justice by debating details that don't detract from its "message."
Doug Padgett
Doug Padgett
Don't know about the found part, but Robert Haas, maybe? Wonderful poet and translator.
Doug Padgett
Doug Padgett
...while I was at Costco, I'll just throw this out there.
What Joel said. I think Jeff was really referring to Oswaldo's comment and maybe anthropomorphizing is all of these things for wine geeks. But not for everyone. This whole discussion begins with a piece of wood from New Guinea. I don't think the Fly River tribesman who found that piece of wood is silly (or trite, etc.). He does seem to be a rank anthropomorphizer, however.
As Jonathan suggests in making the distinction between the anthropological and the aesthetic, taking an object such as this and making it art risks stripping it from its place in a complex system of meaning alien to most of us. It is an imunu, a spirit of nature; not silly, but something rather essential and important. Irrational? To me. Not to the Pulari Delta tribesman. (And this should not be taken as a comment on Levi's nice post).
And, in other religion news: The monstrous, the execrable, Pat Robertson.
Scott Kraft
Scott Kraft
Who knew that anthropomorphism was so harmful! Carson is doomed! Forget the lawyers! First kill Pixar!
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
From a friend:
"It's odd that he believes the slaves made a deal with the devil and not the slaveholders."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Lou Kessler
Lou Kessler
An attempt to return this thread to an intellectual level that will be understood by the average denizen of this board. No participant here comprehends a serious discussion without the use of the F words. If it's some subject that Sarah Palin wouldn't understand neither will they.
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Doug Padgett
Doug Padgett
Aside from his inability to tell fact from (important) myth, or his utter misunderstanding of vodou, the saddest part is that it appears that he is parroting something that has come to him by way of Haitian and Haitian American pentecostals.
The Baron's gonna be mad.
Edit: Just to be clear, of course, the real saddest part is that he's blaming the deaths of thousands on something completely unrelated. And you are correct, Yule.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
Three cheers for:
Levi - He had a dream and found his spirit(s). Posted well.
Levis - They are so comfortable, and I'm wearing a pair right now.
and Claude Levi Strauss - RIP
Honorable mention to:
Duchamp and his urinal.
And last but not least, thanks to the unknown carver of New Guinea. Whatever his intentions were, I love the way he solved the problem of 4 legs.
I hope the tobacco/mirrors/beads he got for his work was high quality.
Levi - He had a dream and found his spirit(s). Posted well.
Levis - They are so comfortable, and I'm wearing a pair right now.
and Claude Levi Strauss - RIP
Honorable mention to:
Duchamp and his urinal.
And last but not least, thanks to the unknown carver of New Guinea. Whatever his intentions were, I love the way he solved the problem of 4 legs.
I hope the tobacco/mirrors/beads he got for his work was high quality.
scottreiner
scott reiner
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Since great works of art comprehend all their details, the details are always worth debating.
The Wine Mule
Dave Erickson
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
FoundA carver or spirit-man dreams an image and then goes to find it in the mangrove forest.
Since the artist (carver, spirit-man) first dreams (imagines) the image, and only then goes looking for it, wouldn't that make the resulting object "sought" art rather than "found"?
Thanks for a truly wonderful note, Levi.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by The Wine Mule:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
FoundA carver or spirit-man dreams an image and then goes to find it in the mangrove forest.
Since the artist (carver, spirit-man) first dreams (imagines) the image, and only then goes looking for it, wouldn't that make the resulting object "sought" art rather than "found"?
Only if he doesn't find it, I think.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by The Wine Mule:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
FoundA carver or spirit-man dreams an image and then goes to find it in the mangrove forest.
Since the artist (carver, spirit-man) first dreams (imagines) the image, and only then goes looking for it, wouldn't that make the resulting object "sought" art rather than "found"?
Something similar is what I meant by suggesting that it was not so much "found" as "given" (by nature) from the tribesman's point of view.
The Wine Mule
Dave Erickson
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by The Wine Mule:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
FoundA carver or spirit-man dreams an image and then goes to find it in the mangrove forest.
Since the artist (carver, spirit-man) first dreams (imagines) the image, and only then goes looking for it, wouldn't that make the resulting object "sought" art rather than "found"?
Something similar is what I meant by suggesting that it was not so much "found" as "given" (by nature) from the tribesman's point of view.
Yes, of course. I guess my point is that "found" to me suggests fortuitous accident, when in fact the artist is on a search for a specific imagined image or shape.
john McCarthy
john McCarthy
It is nice to find some other fans of Coteaux Champenois. I've only had a few but I've found them to be facinating wines. The 2002 Coteaux Champenois from Larmandier-Bernier was really good. I also had a bottle recently of 1996 Coutier Coteaux Champenois and I had the fortunate pleasure of having a Coteaux Champenois from 1976 when I visited Coutier a couple of summers ago. I don't think they evolve into anything more then they are at release but when good they are prett cool in a edgy, snappy Sour Cherry kind of way. I haven't had any White Coteaux Champenois yet. I'm going to try and get a little Lassaigne White Coteaux Champenois. I'll report back...
Cheers.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
They had the 06 rendition of this on the list at Bistro Paul Bert last night, and I was sorely tempted; its 115 price tag, however, dissuaded my dining companions from such a venture, and we shifted tacks to an 06 Champ-Levat Mondeuse.
And at the risk of traipsing back into a known minefield, John, just wait until that Cdric Bouchard releases his Chardonnay Coteaux Champenois and, esp., his white Pinot Noir dealie.
That's more than I usually like to pay for wine in restaurants but it's not a bad price compared to retail.
Glad to hear that Paul Bert is still worthy of visits. I used to go there during my Paris trips 2002-2006 and always enjoyed the high QPR of the experience food and wine-wise.