JP Brun Terres Dorees Cote de Brouilly 2004

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Scott Kraft

Scott Kraft
With the classy black plastic cork. Dead. What a shame. I loved this wine on release. Somehow I forgot about the cork. Would this have made it longer with a real cork?
 
originally posted by Scott Kraft:
JP Brun Terres Dorees Cote de Brouilly 2004With the classy black plastic cork. Dead. What a shame. I loved this wine on release. Somehow I forgot about the cork. Would this have made it longer with a real cork?
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can there be any doubt ?
 
Absolutely, and won't even return them.

Hopefully this didn't drive you and Jean Paul crazy. Blame it all on me!
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
How hard do I have to pray to get Cuvee Pif on the same track?
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It will be done in the future.
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I don't know about Pif, but I think I could have used a few bottles of CRB 2005 Cabernet under cork. A superb wine, which is still evolving uniformly, but relatively quickly.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
How hard do I have to pray to get Cuvee Pif on the same track?
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It will be done in the future.
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I don't know about Pif, but I think I could have used a few bottles of CRB 2005 Cabernet under cork. A superb wine, which is still evolving uniformly, but relatively quickly.
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I believe, and I'm sure Joe will correct me if I'm wrong, that Ct, Cabernet, and Gamay are all available cork finished. Some of the wines have both cork and synthetic finished options. Pif is the one that has only been synthetic finished. I'm no fan of TCA, but Pif is such a powerful wine that I'd be willing to chance it to see it develop.
 
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
How hard do I have to pray to get Cuvee Pif on the same track?
Click to expand...

It will be done in the future.
Click to expand...

I don't know about Pif, but I think I could have used a few bottles of CRB 2005 Cabernet under cork. A superb wine, which is still evolving uniformly, but relatively quickly.
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I believe, and I'm sure Joe will correct me if I'm wrong, that Ct, Cabernet, and Gamay are all available cork finished. Some of the wines have both cork and synthetic finished options. Pif is the one that has only been synthetic finished. I'm no fan of TCA, but Pif is such a powerful wine that I'd be willing to chance it to see it develop.
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Did they go to a plastic cork after 2004? I'm nearly positive that the '04 Pif I've had (and I've still got one more) were under real cork.

[edited to add] ok, just checked... not sure if completely real cork, but definitely not plastic or nomacork.
 
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
originally posted by Patrick Cappiello:
How hard do I have to pray to get Cuvee Pif on the same track?
Click to expand...

It will be done in the future.
Click to expand...

I don't know about Pif, but I think I could have used a few bottles of CRB 2005 Cabernet under cork. A superb wine, which is still evolving uniformly, but relatively quickly.
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I believe, and I'm sure Joe will correct me if I'm wrong, that Côt, Cabernet, and Gamay are all available cork finished. Some of the wines have both cork and synthetic finished options. Pif is the one that has only been synthetic finished. I'm no fan of TCA, but Pif is such a powerful wine that I'd be willing to chance it to see it develop.
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I had bought a case of the 2005 Cabernet and, being unfamiliar with long term effects of closure alternatives at the time, proceeded to work my way through the box at the usual pace, meaning that I still had about 8 bottles remaining when the wine had taken an unfavorable course.

I think I drank the last bottle from the case today. Funny enough, the last couple of bottles weren't nearly as disappointing as the middle batch. The context was different though - a reasonably mature and pure cabernet, smooth, complex and aromatic. This is only the second occasion on which I ended up with at least a case of wine under synthetic closure - 2004 Brezeme was the other - but the rate of deterioration for both was certainly not constant. More like a cliff 2-3 years after release, followed by a decent progression.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
This is only the second occasion on which I ended up with at least a case of wine under synthetic closure - 2004 Brezeme was the other - but the rate of deterioration for both was certainly not constant. More like a cliff 2-3 years after release, followed by a decent progression.
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That's not an unexpected trajectory. The issue is the loss of plasticity in synthetics, leading to a catastrophic (in the mathematical sense) failure of the seal, after which oxygen ingress will remain more or less constant.

Mark Lipton
 
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