TNs: Picq, C. Moreau, Foillard, Jadot (Lumieres & Rochegres) Haut Batailly, Vatan Neore, Rollin HCdB

Ian Fitzsimmons

Ian Fitzsimmons
Picq Chablis 2008

Sampled two bottles over several weeks. Muted nose, stout-bodied for an AOC, then appealing mineral-acid swirls around the edges. Young, pretty good, but I suspect an iceberg only showing its tip.

Christian Moreau Chablis 2008

Where Picq whispers flavor at you, Moreau broadcasts through a megaphone. And what it broadcasts is ACID. Citrus nose followed by such intense acidity, it almost seems sweet. With air, there is depth and flavor differentiation. Terrific AOC.

Foillard Morgon Cote de Py 2007

The many-storied wine, from magnum. Night one, violet aroma wafting over granite and a flavor I want to call iron, though I've never tasted iron. Meaty, with big acidity (though not too big). Night two, quiet at first, except for the palate-scrubbing acid; with air and warmth, a mellow, sandalwoody, spicy mouthful, perfectly rounded, almost glowing with warmth. Fine wine replete with identity.

Jadot 2005 Morgon Lumieres

Out of the bottle, impressive with rich Burgundian juice, more pinot- than gamay-like. Polished and appealing. With air time, the richness gives way to the kind of mute hardness you might expect from a young Morgon, progressing to an awkward stage in which the attack is a bit soft and watery, upsetting the balance of the following fruit.

Jadot 2006 Moulin-a-Vent Ch. St. Jacques Rochegres

Wow. Bright raspberry, together with plum; chords of flavor. Refreshing acidity with delightfully rubby tannins. Rich fruit flavor on a rock-solid foundation. Terrific wine. Day two it settled down to a less brilliant but nonetheless fine vinous performance; night three, still developing: now a base of tasty earth with coffee-mocha seeping out. I see why this is priced near Beaune premier cru levels. A bargain at $17.00 close-out. Wow.

Haut Batailly 2000

Civilized mature claret, well-balanced, modest-volume blackcurrant and cedar, almost silky texture, finishing with Richelieu's sinister bite. Our last bottle; I would not hold these.

Vatan Neore 2007

I seldom know where the herd is, but often find myself drinking downstream from Jim Cowan. Occasionally, lying awake in the wee hours, I cherish the hope that he uses a latrine, set well back from the bank.

This is a smokey leviathan, with some lemon on the nose and baffling hints at flavor on the palate. It manages to impart a sense of impending doom, like the feeling you get on hearing the first few notes of Beethoven's Fifth, or those first, warning notes in the movie Jaws. Presumably this is what Jim means by great. We've saved a bit for tomorrow. Very interesting and easily the most serious Sancerre I've tried.

Rollin Haut Cotes de Beaune 2006

Friendly wine with great sincerity, simple strawberries on the nose and palate, modestly generous fruit and texture. Last bottle of a case that will remain a fond memory.
 
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Which Cotat?
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Who are you, the anti-fatboy (or was it some other idiot who has never had an SB he liked)?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:Which Cotat?

07 Les Culs de Beaujeu. Have you tried it?

No I haven't. I realized later my question has two possible angles of response. Which Cotat, Pascal or Franois, and which cuve. I think they both make the same lineup of cuves, right?
I used to buy the them regularly but they've become so pricey I started passing. I go back and forth
on the how I feel about the style.
 
It's a Franois... I think they have many cuves in common but I don't see a Pascal Beaujeu on wine-searcher for sale anywhere.

It is indeed pricey, but a friend got a good deal on case but didn't want it all. I'm happy to feed on the residues of others' buying prowess.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
It's a Franois... I think they have many cuves in common but I don't see a Pascal Beaujeu on wine-searcher for sale anywhere.

It is indeed pricey, but a friend got a good deal on case but didn't want it all. I'm happy to feed on the residues of others' buying prowess.

I don't know if both F and P make a Culs de Beaujeu, but as far as I know the only one sold in the US is Francois'.
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:

I don't know if both F and P make a Culs de Beaujeu, but as far as I know the only one sold in the US is Francois'.
It's funny, I thought they both had one, but it's not my favorite and I find that I have a few from F and none from P, so I can't contradict you.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Who are you, the anti-fatboy (or was it some other idiot who has never had an SB he liked)?

That'd be me. Sauvignon is only drinkable when it's Chavignol and then not even all the time.

Bleh.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by kirk wallace:

I don't know if both F and P make a Culs de Beaujeu, but as far as I know the only one sold in the US is Francois'.
It's funny, I thought they both had one, but it's not my favorite and I find that I have a few from F and none from P, so I can't contradict you.

This is confusing. Did you contradict yourself?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Who are you, the anti-fatboy (or was it some other idiot who has never had an SB he liked)?

That'd be me. Sauvignon is only drinkable when it's Chavignol and then not even all the time.

Bleh.

Are you sayin' all Dagueneau was shyte? Such a statement would be full of it.
 
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Who are you, the anti-fatboy (or was it some other idiot who has never had an SB he liked)?

That'd be me. Sauvignon is only drinkable when it's Chavignol and then not even all the time.

Bleh.

Are you sayin' all Dagueneau was shyte? Such a statement would be full of it.

I have had the occasional Dagueneau excellence.
 
Thanks for the notes Ian,

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Jadot wines even if the experience was variable. I greatly enjoy the Chateau des Jacques MaVs [Grand Carquelin and Rochegres in particular but the other 3 des Jacques Clos wines are good too] and am still drinking the 02 versions although I have had markers of the 05s.

I also like the Chateau des Lumieres Morgon which, according to Jadot, is less of a keeper than the des Jacques wines but dont know how the Lumieres Clos versions might age. I assume you had the basic Lumieres Morgon which, IMO, is less impressive than e.g. the Lapierre, Foillard et al Morgons or the des Jacques MaVs but is still a good reliable Beaujolais.

Last night I finished a 2005 Marcel Lapierre Morgon and then started on a 2007 Jean Foillard Cote du Py Morgon [both sulphured at bottling]. As usual quite different to taste yet IMO their common heritage seems clear enough although some of the difference is partly a function of age. The Foillard somewhat bigger in nose, taste and appearance, the Lapierre brighter and more sharply focused - both delicious and my favourite Gang of 5 wines, mainly on consistency of delivery rather than a big preference versus [the different] tastes of the others.

Quite different again from the Jadot MaV wines in the Beaujolais spectrum with their different vinification process although I dont prefer one to the other simply enjoying all the above. Unfortunately their success has also resulted in increasing prices particularly the Jadot Clos wines although some of those increases have been a function of a deteriorating exchange rate.
I have sampled very few of my cru classe 2000 Bordeaux yet but have half a case of the Haut-Batailley and will broach one shortly in view of your note which surprised me with its urgency - although the TN would be close to [good] expectations.

Regarding the 2007 Vatan Clos la Neore Sancerre, as previously discussed, it is allegedly his last after a long-running retirement saga since his daughter Anne [wife of Nady Foucault of Clos Rougeard] apparently made the 2008 although he may well still have had a significant influence. The logistics of the making of the Neore for Anne, who presumably lives with her husband at Chace near Saumur, must be interesting.

I have greatly enjoyed Edmond Vs distinctive Neore from earlier vintages but, as with the Beaujolais above, I dont prefer it to e.g. the Cotats wines just enjoy it differently.

Francois Cotat works from Chavignol like Vatan and cousin Pascal from Sancerre but the cousins share the same vineyards [although different acreage] passed on by their fathers, the brothers Paul and Francis Cotat.

I cellar 3 [La Grande Cote, Les Monts Damnes and Les Culs de Beaujeu] and have generally preferred the first but enjoy all 3. I buy much more of Francoiss wines, mainly on the grounds of availability but also consistency - although that latter point is based on a 10:1 Francois:Pascal consumption ratio and is probably meaningless. Of the 3 vineyards above I have all 3 from Francois and the first 2 from Pascal but I have never seen a Pascal Culs de Beaujeu. Of course that doesnt mean there isnt one although perhaps only Paul owned acreage on the Culs. Does anyone have the facts?

We enjoy a very varied Sauvignon Blanc menu drinking them fairly early as well as later - but mainly around 4-5 years of age. The oldest we are currently drinking are a number of Henri Bourgeois's many Sancerres [Chavignol] from the 1999 vintage but we have normally finished most of a case of Sancerre or Pouilly Fume by 8 years from vintage.
 
Thanks, Nigel. The Rochegres was exceptionally good, but usually goes for near $40/bottle. Despite Joe's reprovals, I still have prejudices about paying this much for Beaujolais, though this Jadot could bring me around. The Lumieres was in a funny place, and I'll try it again on of these days. This is the first time I've seen it on a shelf.

I have not loved the Lapierre I've tried; would plump for Coudert, generally, though I've yet to try the VT.

My HB has not been getting any better, and is weak on day 2. Yours may have been better cared-for.

After the Neore on day 2, I have to re-think Sancerre. I don't think I can afford to get a crush on a new source of premium wines. It's a problem.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Surprised the Jadot MaV did so well, must give it a try. Have a Cotat Sancerre in the queue for the next week or so, the possibility that it might be half of your Vatan is making me bump it forward.

Cotat is always more than half of Vatan for me, but then, give me a good producer and I'm pretty easily satisfied when it comes to Sancerre.

Who are you, the anti-fatboy (or was it some other idiot who has never had an SB he liked)?

That'd be me. Sauvignon is only drinkable when it's Chavignol and then not even all the time.

Bleh.

Are you sayin' all Dagueneau was shyte? Such a statement would be full of it.

I have had the occasional Dagueneau excellence.

and what about the glories that can be white bordeaux!?!?
 
Back
Top