Because Dan said it couldn't be done

Thor

Thor Iverson
An Italian offline in Newton, Massachusetts, but with an injunction. No sangiovese. No nebbiolo. With the latter condition in mind, Im tempted to bring a Gaja Barbaresco, but think better of it. Nonetheless, I attend having rolled off a plane from Copenhagen less than two hours earlier, so the question for me is less about the wines and more about whether or not I will fall asleep in my risotto. Thankfully, I do not, though we do keep the restaurant open about an hour past the last non-wine geek customer.

Balbi Soprani 2006 Moscato dAsti (Piedmont) Flowers and powdered apple. Softtoo softwith more gentility than Id like; the laughing sweetness of moscato dAsti needs a little more self-confidence. (9/08)

Chartogne-Taillet 1996 Champagne Brut Fiacre (Champagne) Mushroom and Rainier cherry, which is a combination Im not sure I like. Crisp and maybe even a bit puckery. This never comes together for me, but following a moscato isnt the easiest thing in the world. (9/08)

Pieropan 2004 Soave La Rocca (Veneto) Melon and metal. All primary pre-primary, actually and promise, with absolutely nothing indicating current drinkability except in the pursuit of academic curiosity. (9/08)

Bellavista Franciacorta Cuve Brut (Lombardy) Obvious fruitapple and pineapplethat never gets going anywhere more interesting. (9/08)

Brovia 2007 Roero Arneis (Piedmont) Though I love this producer, I realize Ive never tasted their take on this grape. Its a good one. Theres fat peach that crisps considerably by the finish, and dried white flowers cover everything. Despite the initial breadth of fruit, the overall impression is one of delicacy and beauty. (9/08)

Valentini 1999 Trebbiano dAbruzzo (Abruzzi) Smells like lambicsour berries and an edge of brettwith leaves and fresher berries in the mix. A baffling wine. It seems flawed one moment, then fresh the next. Too old, too young, then just right. Its impossible to get a handle on it, or to say anything useful about where it is or where its going. Deliciously weird. (9/08)

Giacomo Conterno 1998 Barbera dAlba Cascina Francia (Piedmont) Barbed-wire acidity with its points through a forest of wild lingonberries and a sea of cranberries. This is barbera. (9/08)

La Spinetta 2000 Barbera dAsti Ca di Pian (Piedmont) Dense blueberry with pretty good acidity, but the finish is goopy, flat-nosed, and awful. This is not barbera. (9/08)

i Clivi di Ferdinando Zanusso 2000 Colli Orientali del Friuli Galea Rosso (Friuli Venezia Giulia) Smoky meat, mushroom, and fine-grained tannin. But thats all there is, and this wine is beyond difficult at the moment; I have confidence for the future based on past performance, but its not worth drinking right now. (9/08)

Foradori 1997 Teroldego Rotaliano (Trentino) Dark blackberry, raspberry, and boysenberry with a bit of brett. Toothy and medium-bodied, with a fair wallop of acidity. More interesting than excellent, though its definitely good. (9/08)

Martini di Cigala San Giusto a Rentennano 2001 Merlot di Toscana La Ricolma (Tuscany) Sweet blueberry and milky; this feels more like a thickened soup than a wine, despite a sharp bite of tannin that seems out of place. That said, as wines in this style (which isnt mine) go, its reasonably good. But Id never choose to drink it. (9/08)

Librandi 2000 Val di Neto Gravello (Calabria) Structured and very aromatic. Structured. Did I say that already? Well, theres a lot of it in relation to the aromatics. Some salted gravel makes up the middle, and its reasonably long, but Im not sure this wine is in its best stage. (9/08)

Banfi 1998 Cabernet Sauvignon Tavernelle (Tuscany) Very simple. Generic fruit. Andnothing. Profoundly indifferent wine. (9/08)

Mastroberardino 1995 Taurasi Radici (Campania) Cashews. The texture, which I expect to be a little wrenched and puckery, is frankly gorgeous, and the balance of earths including earth-laden fruit of the darkest, broodiest kind is lovely. (9/08)

Cavallotto 1990 Barolo Vignolo Riserva (Piedmont) The only wine to directly flout the rules, and its aromatic beauty rather dominates the proceedings. Mixed red fruits and the usual crushed petals abound, but the wine is gentle and still seemingly holding its best in reserve. (9/08)

Masi 1990 Amarone della Valpolicella Classico (Veneto) Prune and roasted meat, but balanced in the context of this very particular style. Theres a bit of offputting rot, but it doesnt really distract. Nor does the expected VA. What Id like is a little more complexity, but thats not easily found in Amarone. (9/08)

Bea 1999 Montefalco Sagrantino Secco (Umbria) Corked. (9/08)

Bea 1998 Montefalco Rosso Riserva (Umbria) Sharp and biting, with a dark, dusty tar foundation. Wine as asphalt. Very impressive. (9/08)

Speri 2006 Valpolicella Classico Superiore Ripasso (Veneto) Big acidity, strawberry, chocolate, and butterscotch. Oak? Whatever it is, its nasty. I cant possibly imagine what they were thinking here. (9/08)

Colli Spoletini 1990 Sagrantino di Montefalco Roccaducale (Umbria) Texturally, this combines powder and silk, like old European royalty, with ancient black fruit and a finish thats both vivid and faded. Strikingly excellent. (9/08)

Bea 1998 Montefalco Secco Superiore (Umbria) Very tannic, but aromatically lush with crushed lilacs. Lovely. Young. (9/08)

Castellani 1995 Recioto della Valpolicella Classico Il Casale (Veneto) Dominated by its volatile acidity, with sweet syrup, sweat, and a sticky, nasty finish. Recioto rides such a fine line between drinkability and utter failure, and this crosses the line. (9/08)

von Buhl 1996 Forster Ungeheurer Riesling Auslese 35 97 (Pfalz) Huge mineralityI mean, truly massive rockinesswith, nonetheless, a fine balance between the stones, biting acidity, and precise sweetness. And yet, its actual palate presence is less insistent than it threatens; its like a really outstanding German riesling is blowing past ones nose, but not yet settling on the palate. Despite the age, this is still one for the future. (9/08)

Papin Chteau Pierre-Bise 1997 Coteaux du Layon Beaulieu Les Rouannires (Loire) Structured but fruity, with metal-jacketed apple, sweet apricot, and a tangible sense of size dominated by a very intense sweetness. Very long, but wow is it sweet. Still, theres enough structure for me to bet on its future, though not with 100% confidence. (9/08)
 
For god's sake, man, stop murdering babies just to impress people at offlines.

(i Clivi 2000???)

If you keep doing the infanticide thing, I won't have anything good to drink when I come schlepping to Boston again.
 
It impressed no one, actually. Charles: "Whatever it is" (it was served blind) "I hope I don't have any of it in my cellar." So, yes, infanticide. But I couldn't reach the really weird stuff, and I wasn't deconstructing my cellar after 11 hours of travel.
 
Hoke - not only the wines, but infanticide Iverson notes - how can we be sure they are really done?

I was wondering how much agitation it would take to get these early. Malinoski will be astounded as I am sure he thought he had a couple of months minimum.

I was sorry to have missed this event.

As some of the participants know, a very close friend and college classmate of both of us died suddenly earlier that evening and Michele was preparing to head to Greenwich Village for the wake and funeral.

While y'all were slurping some rockin' juice tasting mostly uncorked Italian wines, I had one at home:

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Georg Mumelter Griesbauerhof Sdtirol Lagrein 2005 - Inky dark brooding wine, effusive nose of dark fruit, iodine, and a little heat that blew off quickly - powerful stuff that was taken far too young. Fit the evening pretty well if you ask me. It was much more giving the next day.
 
"Bravo
Hoke - not only the wines, but infanticide Iverson notes - how can we be sure they are really done?"

Yes, indeed. Very suspicious. Maybe he has a ghost writer now. Or, like Parker, is just farming his stuff out to flunkies.

Thor has always impressed me with his constancy of waiting until the wine he was reviewing was already dead before his notes on the wine fully matured.

Are we seeing a new, more timely, Thor now?

What about tradition?
 
originally posted by Thor:
Sorry to hear that, Dan.

Thanks. More of a shock and residual to Michele than me as they were very close, but to see someone leave the planet at 48 with such suddenness is unnerving to say the least.
 
Condolences from Lisa and me too, Dan. I know you hadn't sounded terribly optimistic, but we'd been hoping for the best for your friend. Very sad, at such a young age.
 
Love the note on the Pieropan Soave. If I had more cellar space, more patience, and more presence of mind, I'd love a couple cases of this (and its ilk), all 10-years+ in age...
 
My god, as Dan said earlier, I thought I had a good couple of months to post on these wines before Thor. Believe it or not, this was the first time I have had the pleasure (and it truly was a pleasure) of meeting him, though his reputation (as my own) for L A T E posting of tasting notes is the stuff of legends. So, imagine my surprise... Well, here goes with reactive impressions more so than my usual (not what people here go for) detailed tasting notes.

Balbi Soprani 2006 Moscato dAsti (Piedmont) Totally agree. Soft, too soft--needing a bit more vibrancy. Simple and moderately pleasant but nothing more.

Chartogne-Taillet 1996 Champagne Brut Fiacre (Champagne) I found it to be nutty and showing age on the nose but effusive and lively in the mouth, with some pleasantly mature poached fruit flavors surrounding a streak of freshening acidity.

Pieropan 2004 Soave La Rocca (Veneto) Albert thought this was going over the hill compared to a bottle closer to release. Thor thinks it is way too young. Having no track record with the wine, it just felt tired on the nose to me, but densely creamy in the mouth with stuffing to last (but not as long as others seemed to suggest perhaps).

Bellavista Franciacorta Cuve Brut (Lombardy) Crisp and lean and minerally on the nose, much more frothy with some bitter almond and sweeter accents in the mouth. Interesting for a brief while.

Brovia 2007 Roero Arneis (Piedmont) Agree with Thor that this is lovely. Great amplitude and zip to the aromas, fine drive in the mouth. Elegant, but with a deeper core lying below. I like drinking it just the way it is. Could age really help?

Valentini 1999 Trebbiano dAbruzzo (Abruzzi) One of my favorites of the whole tasting. Chameleon-like aromas, flavors, textures. Wacky aromatics of V8 juice, horse fur, earth, tea. Caressing texture, tons of personality. Age some more.

Giacomo Conterno 1998 Barbera dAlba Cascina Francia (Piedmont) Yeah, beautiful Barbera. Sour cherries, exotic spices on the nose. Warm, inviting, enveloping in the mouth, with freshing acidity and sneaky tannins. Lovely balance, great drinking.

La Spinetta 2000 Barbera dAsti Ca di Pian (Piedmont) Sawed oak and plum on the nose, unabashedly modern. Dense, spicy, overdone. Interesting contrast, though.

i Clivi di Ferdinando Zanusso 2000 Colli Orientali del Friuli Galea Rosso (Friuli Venezia Giulia) I brought this same wine to a tasting a few months ago and have had it 2 other times before this, as well. I have liked it well enough on those occasions, but this night it was really young and a bit gangly.

Foradori 1997 Teroldego Rotaliano (Trentino) Feral elements on the nose--you know, animal fur, leather, raw meat, scorched earth, all of that. Less animalistic in the mouth, but perhaps just as intense, with lots of personality and plenty of structure for continued development.

Martini di Cigala San Giusto a Rentennano 2001 Merlot di Toscana La Ricolma (Tuscany) Another of the more modern-styled wines, with some accents of dill and other oak influences in the bouquet. Real fruit-forward in the mouth, trying to be sexy, with voluptuous texture and smooth pillowy tannins. I did not find it overly goopy or gloppy, though, and the leftovers the next night were better--it even tasted somewhat Italian. Enjoyed it in spite of all that.

Librandi 2000 Val di Neto Gravello (Calabria) Tightly structured, aggressive tannins, aggressive acid bite, elevated alcohol. One of my very least favorites of the evening.

Banfi 1998 Cabernet Sauvignon Tavernelle (Tuscany) A bit obvious, pleasant enough, not distinctive in any way.

Mastroberardino 1995 Taurasi Radici (Campania) Raisins and figs and tomato leaf aromas not really doing much for me--smells a bit stewed and/or baked. However, it has a much much fresher feel on the palate, a fine juicy quality, lively red-fruited character and a pleasing finish.

Cavallotto 1990 Barolo Vignolo Riserva (Piedmont) Thor: "The only wine to directly flout the rules, and its aromatic beauty rather dominates the proceedings. Mixed red fruits and the usual crushed petals abound, but the wine is gentle and still seemingly holding its best in reserve." Spot on.

Masi 1990 Amarone della Valpolicella Classico (Veneto) Missed this one.

Bea 1999 Montefalco Sagrantino Secco (Umbria) Corked.

Bea 1998 Montefalco Rosso Riserva (Umbria) Beautiful, distinctive nose. Wonderful seamlessness in the mouth, but otherwise just beginning to unfold and reveal itself. Killer stuff.

Speri 2006 Valpolicella Classico Superiore Ripasso (Veneto) Thor: "Whatever it is, its nasty. I cant possibly imagine what they were thinking here." 100% agreement.

Colli Spoletini 1990 Sagrantino di Montefalco Roccaducale (Umbria) Mysterious, earthy and beguiling aromas. Soft-textured but intense entry leads to a mid-palate that kicks it up even further with a feeling of depth, balance and finery.

Bea 1998 Montefalco Secco Superiore (Umbria) Thor: "Very tannic, but aromatically lush with crushed lilacs. Lovely. Young." Agreed (hey, I had violets but crushed lilacs works for me). A bit more oomph and density than the Rosso Riserva, silky texture, fine delineation.

Castellani 1995 Recioto della Valpolicella Classico Il Casale (Veneto) Thor: "Dominated by its volatile acidity, with sweet syrup, sweat, and a sticky, nasty finish. Recioto rides such a fine line between drinkability and utter failure, and this crosses the line." I was not nearly so damning, but I do have to admit that the longer I sat with it, the less I liked it, as heat reared up way to much. A few sips right after opening though were not nearly as messy to my palate as Thor suggests here.

von Buhl 1996 Forster Ungeheurer Riesling Auslese 35 97 (Pfalz) I settled on really liking this, though it took a while for me to be sure... Really like it aromatically, though did not sense as much minerality as Thor. I also like the flavor profile. At times, though, it felt a bit cloying on the palate, but then that would sort of resolve itself and begin to actually feel aggressively acidic (and then go back again). Eventually, it seemed to sort itself out, though, to the good.

Papin Chteau Pierre-Bise 1997 Coteaux du Layon Beaulieu Les Rouannires (Loire) I thought this was beautiful. Pretty and complex on the nose, wonderfully dense and sweet on the palate. I did sense a bit of raw sugar from time to time (as in the 1996), but I could drink this happily any time.

There was also a 1992 Sichel Riesling Beerenauslese Kircheimer Kreuz that I did not get a chance to try (and neither evidently did Thor!). I've had it before and it is just OK. Pleasantly sweet but not all that distinctive.

Hope to meet Thor again soon.

Michael
 
By the way, we've had that 1995 Castellani Recioto at prior offlines jeebi - the bottle in question probably came from the same source. It shines best with chocolate cake. Alas, the notes from those offlines probably perished in the great Netscaping of another board forum. Last time I had one was a couple years ago, and I thought it was headed in the direction you guys found it. I think I have a stray 1997 laying around somewhere in the cellar... probably time to bust the cork on that one.
 
Laura and I opened a bottle of the '96 Fiacre on Sunday & it was delicious, with toast, apple & still some citrus aromas/flavors. I wonder what happened to your bottle.
 
I opened my last bottle of that Recioto a year or so ago, and my conclusion was that the years were not kind to that wine. I liked it a lot when we first tried it - but I'm quite sure the bottles tasted over the subsequent years didn't live up to the premiere. It put me in the mind of Jaws 2.
 
Impressive fortitude.

Well, it was either that or sleep. And, you know, fuck sleep.

Michael, I'm sorry to make you hurry as well. And I'm really sorry to see so much agreement on wines; you should be very concerned about your palate.

Regarding the Soave, maybe it was too young when I tasted it, and by the time it got to your end of the table it had gone over the hill.

And regarding the recioto, I have a thing about VA, so my experience shouldn't necessarily be taken as universal. (Though today I tasted a recioto -- of barbera, at Bonny Doon -- that was nearly VA-free. I'd love to know how they did that, and have sent an email inquiring.) Dan, good memory, and I'll note with misplaced pride that I didn't think it was an ager. That wine was a John Sano special, I think. Yes? Because there's also this from home sipping (and by which time it had already gone downhill), and I can't imagine where else I would have gotten that wine.
 
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