Blind the Back Label

Levi Dalton

Levi Dalton
Periodically one reads the buy the back label article. The one aimed at newbies that says essentially you may know nothing about an area or subject but these are importers you cam trust. If you see one of these back labels on a bottle, well, chances are that it is a good bottle.

I propose an event to test this out a bit. I think it would be of interest to get around a table ten examples of the same sort of wine, say 10 Barolos from the '01 vintage. Same grape, same region, same vintage, but from different importers, and with the labels covered. I wonder how accurately the importers could be picked out. We think we know the "house style" of the selections at Rosenthal, at LDM, at Lynch. I wonder how much truth there is to that. If someone is tasting multiple Barolos, could they then say "well, I know this is the Dressner selection."

I wonder about these things.
 
I had an experience a little bit similar to this once. I was at a byo dinner at Oleana here in Boston (at which all wines are poured blind) and i brought the Domaine Derain Allez-Gouton. It was cloudy and funky, salty and briney and the wine director at Oleana was guessing what it was and said " well, it seems like a funky sancerre of some kind that must be imported by Violette." (a local small importer/distributor with a reputation for dispensing some of the funkiest and most volitile wines in our market). We all got a laugh and besides the wine not being a Sancerre she was dead on about the importer. Your proposed experiment made me think of this.
 
Does anyone really mean by "buy the back label" that one is buying an absolutely consistent style instead of quality and a good guess. I do think over a whole portfolio one could tell the difference between Louis/Dressner and Robert Kacher or a Weygandt. But one could easily pick out wines that would screw up ones judgment: say Versino's Cuvee Felix vs. Charvin or Richaud's Ebrescade vs. Alary. No importer gets all the wines of a region that match his or her taste and they will make decisions about houses (Versino is pretty traditional in CdP in his regular cuvee) that don't apply to all their wines, etc., etc.
 
Matteo, that's both hilarious and dead-on accurate, re: Violette.

Periodically one reads the buy the back label article. The one aimed at newbies that says essentially you may know nothing about an area or subject but these are importers you cam trust. If you see one of these back labels on a bottle, well, chances are that it is a good bottle.
That's not entirely right. The newbie article, which of course I've written more than once, doesn't claim "a good bottle," but rather "a bottle with an above-average stylistic predictability," which you do address in your following paragraph. It's really not any different than suggesting to the consumer that buying by producer rather than appellation in Burgundy will increase one's chances of replicating previous successes and failures. I don't see that as particularly controversial, frankly. The articles aren't operating at the "yes, but Dugat made a suprisingly successful XYZ in 2004" level, they're addressing an "I don't know any of these wines, but I want a way to improve on random selection" audience.

I also think the stylistic predictability of importers varies. Sometimes, it's more of a philosophical predictability than it is an organoleptic one. For example, I can see certain importers eschewing a producer whose wines taste very much like other wines in their portfolio because they're made with inoculated yeast. And I also think that geographical differences are difficult to account for; how do you compare Dressner's Loire with Solomon's sunbelt? It's not like either intrudes much on the other's territory, and yet both are importers than I think the articles you're referencing would suggest have more identifiable house styles than others.

But on to the actual question...

Your blind tasting is an interesting idea and I'm definitely going to try it at some point. But the test you're proposing doesn't really say as much that's useful about the back-label assessment as you might hope. First, you're still tasting as much or more for producer as you are for importer...which is just replicating the function of the importer. There's not really a way to get around the fact that the Occhipinti and the Donnafugata are made differently in both intent and practice from moment one, and the points of difference are due to the producers, not the importers. And if you line up a dozen Barolos from a half-dozen importers, at (say) two wines from each producer, noting that the Brovias are different from the Rivettis is probably not all that difficult for an experienced taster of Barolo.

I think that to get a better read on this, you'd have to come close to a portfolio-wide tasting, recognizing that you're still going to have to figure out a way to usefully compare a bunch of Muscadets with a bunch of Australian chardonnays when contrasting importers that don't cross appellation paths. (And yes, I think you have to try if you're trying to prove or disprove the notion that Lynch's wines have different stylistic boundaries than the Grateful Palate's wines.) What would be more useful is to find multiply-sourced wines that are made differently. Gaillard's Rose Poupre with the Rozet, for example, though in the past the former wasn't actually imported by anyone, and that might still be true. (Even then, you're really just tasting for winemaking differences without a really broad sample.) It might be easier with some of the Lynch wines, wherever he shares coverage with anyone. Or, at the least, not just a dozen Barolos, but paired Barolos from the same sites but different producer/importer duos. You're still tasting both producer and importer, but at least you're increasing the amount of controlled data, which I think is the major hurdle here...the other being, as previously noted, that Bourgueil vs. Priorat vs. Barossa is not the simplest comparison in the world.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo: I was at a byo dinner at Oleana...

Do they usually allow BYO or was that just because you knew someone there?

I was planning to treat my inlaws to dinner there. Their wine list looks pretty interesting but given my budget I figured we'd be drinking fun kabinetts and the like (of course there are worse things in the world). But given the chance, I would definitely bring something 'nicer' from home.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
..Weygandt..

Really? Would it be that easy to distinguish his wines from Dressner or Kermit Lynch?

Pop a bottle of Clos St. Jean Deus ex Machina and you will be renewed in your belief--based on bad evidence--that CdP is by nature objectionable. Weygandt talks the talk, but he walks the walk in a variable and sometimes stumbling way.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Pop a bottle of Clos St. Jean Deus ex Machina and you will be renewed in your belief--based on bad evidence--that CdP is by nature objectionable. Weygandt talks the talk, but he walks the walk in a variable and sometimes stumbling way.

But how about the rest of his Southern Rhones?

Or are you just planning to identify specific wines that you know well.

This endeavor is complicated!
 
Do they usually allow BYO or was that just because you knew someone there?
First off, the disclaimer: Oleana is my least favorite of the often-hyped restaurants in the Boston area, and I've never had a successful meal there. I realize I'm in the minority opinion on this one, though. I wish you better luck.

Second, I thought I covered this in my "if you're moving to Boston" emails a year or so ago. No?

Just about all restaurants in Boston and environs will allow BYO for ITB types, depending on the night and their relationship with said B personnel. On the QT, of course, because it's widely believed to be a license violation (I've yet to ferret out the actual law, and despite the government's similar inability to do so when I've asked, they believe the same), but otherwise it'd be pretty hard to conduct all the press/trade meals that do indeed happen. They will also, on occasion or all the time, do it for customers they trust. How you gain that trust varies from special pleading with a close personal friend to the belief that you don't sound like a cop on the phone, and there's not really a good way to predict this in advance. I've gotten restaurants that I've never been to to allow me to bring wine by telling them that I was bringing a winemaker (which was true), and I've had restaurants that have previously allowed it say "no" for one reason or another.

Or, shorter answer: it doesn't hurt to ask. It will hurt less if they know you. It will probably not hurt at all if the person making the call is in the biz. But the answer will very quickly become "no" if you talk up their BYO-friendly policies in public. And it will soon become "no" if they feel someone's abusing the privilege, which is why I'm not going to suggest that you ask a friendly ITB-type to make an introduction for you. That will work a few times, if it's your only choice. It won't work forever, for them or you.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Matteo Mollo: I was at a byo dinner at Oleana...

Do they usually allow BYO or was that just because you knew someone there?

I was planning to treat my inlaws to dinner there. Their wine list looks pretty interesting but given my budget I figured we'd be drinking fun kabinetts and the like (of course there are worse things in the world). But given the chance, I would definitely bring something 'nicer' from home.

Rahsaan,

Oleana doesnt generally allow you to bring your own bottle, this occassion happened to be a dinner with a group in which special arangements were made. Theresa does a great job with the list and the food is really good. She may have some wines that are not listed online as well so be sure to ask her what she has that is new. They just did a Leitz dinner not too long ago so she may have some back vintages hanging around...in any case i like to support her list as much as possible. have fun.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Pop a bottle of Clos St. Jean Deus ex Machina and you will be renewed in your belief--based on bad evidence--that CdP is by nature objectionable. Weygandt talks the talk, but he walks the walk in a variable and sometimes stumbling way.

Well, what do you expect when you have a Burgundy lover buying CdP??
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Pop a bottle of Clos St. Jean Deus ex Machina and you will be renewed in your belief--based on bad evidence--that CdP is by nature objectionable. Weygandt talks the talk, but he walks the walk in a variable and sometimes stumbling way.

But how about the rest of his Southern Rhones?

Or are you just planning to identify specific wines that you know well.

This endeavor is complicated!

His Southern Rhones are really various. He has some producers at the top of my list, like Charvin. He has others that I consider not to follow his mantra of looking for wines that express terroir. In the area of the Southern Rhone, I pretty much have at least some experience with his entire line-up.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I guess I'll have to organize the sister (brother?) tasting. Aug vs. Nicolas?

Can you wait until we're next out your way? Sign us up!!

Mark Lipton
 
Very cool! If you want to get hard-core about it, we can add the lower-end chain Repaire de Bacchus. And maybe some hipster fortresses like Le Verre Vol (wine store location).
 
I'm having trouble with this house style thing. Can someone tell me how to distinguish Lynch's house style in the Bourgueils he imports from Dressner's?

Also, which Meursaults represent Lynch's house style -- Ente and Coche-Dury or Jobard and Cherisey? Or Roulot? Same for Cornas -- Allemand or Verset or Clape? (Or maybe Juge, whose wines Lynch briefly imported in the early 1980s?)
 
I think the "house style" is meant more as a Lynch vs. Kacher thing, rather than referring to broadly similar importers. As with any generalization, it's a generalization. (And, apparently, a tautology.)

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originally posted by Claude Kolm:
I'm having trouble with this house style thing. Can someone tell me how to distinguish Lynch's house style in the Bourgueils he imports from Dressner's?

Also, which Meursaults represent Lynch's house style -- Ente and Coche-Dury or Jobard and Cherisey? Or Roulot? Same for Cornas -- Allemand or Verset or Clape? (Or maybe Juge, whose wines Lynch briefly imported in the early 1980s?)

That is actually my question/fundamental reasoning behind the idea of such a tasting. It would be interesting to know, if one tasted a Lynch imported Barolo or a Dressner imported Barolo blind, could one tell it had been chosen by that respective importer? Or not? Is there a recognizable "house palate"? If not, why do people recommend buying the back label?

These are the questions involved.
 
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