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Florida Jim

Florida Jim
2004 Tenuta delle Terre Nere, Etna Rosso Calderara Sottana:
At its best, with well resolved tannins, a satin mouth feel and ripe nerello mascalese flavors that seem to suggest their volcanic soil origins. My last bottle of a case; I have enjoyed every one of them while witnessing the wines development. Well-made, balanced and avoids the tendency toward too much alcohol of this variety.

2005 Dom. Vissoux, Fleurie Ponci:
Open several days, recorked and left on the counter; pure, ripe, unmistakably Fleurie with good structure, ample fruit and some very nice nuances. A wonderful bottle and likely, the wine I most enjoy of all those in my cellar.

2005 Kongsgaard, Chardonnay The Judge:
The following is paraphrased from the website:

This is grown on a rocky hillside just east of the town of Napa, which was acquired by Johns grandparents in the 1920s as a potential quarry site. The extremely rocky ground produces a miniscule crop of around one ton per acre, yielding less than one-half bottle of wine per vine. Fermented in all new, French oak barrels with the indigenous yeast and bacteria requiring six to twelve months to finish the alcoholic and malolactic fermentations. Resting on the primary lees for fifteen months before the first racking, the wine is clarified by gravity. This allows bottling without filtration or fining after nearly two years of barrel age. The wine is named after John's late father who was the judge in Napa County from 1959 to 1985.

Reading the above description doesnt make me want to taste the wine. However, I had the chance to do so, on two different occasions, while visiting friends on the leftcoast; turns out, the wine is remarkable. Most striking is the degree and depth of the mineral character in the wine. In my experience, only great Chablis have this broad vein of minerality. There is a very gentle oak note in the nose and the slightest buttery element on the palate. The rest is all concentrated, focused and bright chardonnay fruit that would put many a Montrachet to shame. And my guess is that this will develop with cellaring.
Stupidly priced but then, so is Montrachet.

1991 Montelena, Cabernet Sauvignon:
Clear and pure but lacking depth and showing a distinct, although not unattractive, herbaceous edge. An understated wine and, IMO, somewhat under-fruited. Other bottles have shown better.

1999 Chave, Hermitage:
Touch of brett on the nose; fine aromatics but not expansive; better in the mouth with silken textures and plenty of complexity, not especially concentrated; moderate length. More resolved than Id have expected and not showing the power that great Hermitage can possess. Odd, but not unpleasant.

Best, Jim
 
That is a curious parsing. You took the name of one wine and the description of another.
I assume you mean the price of the Chave and yes, that is ridiculous. I like Chave's wines (more and more the St. Joseph) but the prices are not lining up with the quality by any stretch. Another wine I'll not buy again.
Best, Jim
 
You caused me to revisit my note from April of this year. I thought it was the 199 I drank but it was the 1998. Still, it almost reads like we were drinking the same wine:

"I opened a 1998 Jean Louis Chave Hermitage. I served it blind, giving them some possibly misleading body language. It was nice, but much lighter than I expected. It tasted like a decent Languedoc blend not more than a few years old. Of course, as we studied it, and the identity was revealed, it began to seem more complex and interesting. But not in time for my dear wife to declare that she thought this was a pretty stupid purchase on my part. Spouses. Honesty like that cannot be purchased. Anyway, I've decided to give away my last magnum of 1999 to a deserving friend. I will be liberated from my Chave partisanship once and for all."
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
You caused me to revisit my note from April of this year. I thought it was the 199 I drank but it was the 1998. Still, it almost reads like we were drinking the same wine:

"I opened a 1998 Jean Louis Chave Hermitage. I served it blind, giving them some possibly misleading body language. It was nice, but much lighter than I expected. It tasted like a decent Languedoc blend not more than a few years old. Of course, as we studied it, and the identity was revealed, it began to seem more complex and interesting. But not in time for my dear wife to declare that she thought this was a pretty stupid purchase on my part. Spouses. Honesty like that cannot be purchased. Anyway, I've decided to give away my last magnum of 1999 to a deserving friend. I will be liberated from my Chave partisanship once and for all."

I have had much more positive experience with the '98 Chave... I assume that time will be it's friend. (but maybe that's just me)
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
You caused me to revisit my note from April of this year. I thought it was the 199 I drank but it was the 1998. Still, it almost reads like we were drinking the same wine:

"I opened a 1998 Jean Louis Chave Hermitage. I served it blind, giving them some possibly misleading body language. It was nice, but much lighter than I expected. It tasted like a decent Languedoc blend not more than a few years old. Of course, as we studied it, and the identity was revealed, it began to seem more complex and interesting. But not in time for my dear wife to declare that she thought this was a pretty stupid purchase on my part. Spouses. Honesty like that cannot be purchased. Anyway, I've decided to give away my last magnum of 1999 to a deserving friend. I will be liberated from my Chave partisanship once and for all."

I'm your guy, man! I promise to be more deserving than anyone deserves! I'll even come pick it up!
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
And I would never give away my 2000 Peay, go figure.
I can't help thinking one reason for that is because their first grapes were in 2001. Nice thought, though, and duly noted.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
1999s might be in a funny place. Anyone have any cross-checks?

I'll risk the two minute penalty...

I believe I've tried the '99 Chave three times in the last year (twice with "lengthy examination"), and my experience has been diiferent than my friend Jim. Mostly it has to do with tannin -- none of the one's I sampled were at all resolved. They all hinted at some eventual complexity, but even after hours the wine remained broad shouldered and brooding -- tightly coiled at its center. I agree about the brett notes in the nose, and find the aromatics quite enticing. There is more up front fruit in the '99 model than is evidenced by the even more brawny '98, but in both cases I'd be reluctant to open any of my bottles for at least another few years.

Different bottles? Different situations? Different tastes? Perhaps all of the above...for instance, from year to year I'm probably among the nation's biggest fans of Vissoux's Cuvee Trad. , but Jim's favorite Vissoux Poncie always strikes me as too ripe. Keep your tires proerly inflated, as mileage will vary.

Be well,
Larry
 
originally posted by Putnam Weekley:
You caused me to revisit my note from April of this year. I thought it was the 199 I drank but it was the 1998. Still, it almost reads like we were drinking the same wine:

"I opened a 1998 Jean Louis Chave Hermitage. I served it blind, giving them some possibly misleading body language. It was nice, but much lighter than I expected. It tasted like a decent Languedoc blend not more than a few years old. Of course, as we studied it, and the identity was revealed, it began to seem more complex and interesting. But not in time for my dear wife to declare that she thought this was a pretty stupid purchase on my part. Spouses. Honesty like that cannot be purchased. Anyway, I've decided to give away my last magnum of 1999 to a deserving friend. I will be liberated from my Chave partisanship once and for all."

Hey Putnam

I guess the continued purchase became "pretty stupid" for me too after 1999, as I have not bought any since. Still, the wines that I have pulled from the basement in years past leave me as a Chave admirer regardless of lofty pricing. I openned a mag of '97 for my Mom's birthday a few months back...the family is full of budding wine drinkers, though seriously lacking knowledge of "French labels", etc. Most of them thought it was flat out the best wine that they had ever sipped. I thought that was pretty cool, especially because I picked up that Mag at a largely inoffensive price.

Hope to see you soon!
 
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