Ups and downs

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
2005 Pieropan, Soave Calvarino:
Initially, very intense and concentrated reminded me of a young grner from Knoll or a similar producer almost too forceful to be enjoyable; but over about an hour it opened and smoothed to become a bright, animated wine full of lemon/honey flavors with nuance and sustain. Certainly showing young but packed with energy and potential. As good a Soave as I have had. 12.5% alcohol.

2005 Pepire, Muscadet Clos des Briords:
12% alcohol; this is very fine; smooth but not soft, considerable density while still lively and complex, long and refreshing. Drinks well right now but will obviously age. A terrific wine.

2000 Thomas, Pinot Noir:
13% alcohol; just too sulpherous for me. I decanted it and covered it so well try it tomorrow but honestly, ten years from vintage and sulpher is the over-riding impression? Not working for me.
Day two: balsamic and sour raisins this was totally shot.

1999 Barthod, Chambolle-Musigny Les Fues:
This is solid and agreeable, albeit foursquare and more black fruit then red. Good, not great, uncomplicated and way over-priced.
I have just about had enough of this producer I hear great things and people say how much they wish she had some grand cru terroir. Baloney. This may be the only wine Ive had from Barthod that has been open enough to enjoy and this is simple and unremarkable. And the prices being charged these days! somebody else can pay them no more of my money is spent at this house.

2005 Vissoux, Fleurie Ponci:
Something wonderful, fruit sweet, considerable backbone, smooth, layered and just so juicy and deep one of those wines that gives definition to the word pleasure. I loved this wine on release and even more so now that it has shed some baby-fat and shown its depth. One of the most enjoyable wines in my cellar.

Best, Jim
 
1999 Barthod, Chambolle-Musigny Les Fues: And the prices being charged these days! somebody else can pay them no more of my money is spent at this house.

It's hard to compete for QPR with the likes of Briords and Vissoux!
 
originally posted by Arjun Mendiratta:
Jim,

I've never noticed sulphur in young Thomas, but my experience only goes back to the '05 vintage. Was 2000 an anomaly?

Issues in the late 90s as well.

I still have bottles and mags (not many). We'll see.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Barthod:
...I hear great things and people say how much they wish she had some grand cru terroir. Baloney.

A lot of this you've heard from me. And we've had several disappointing bottles from my cellar together. I will continue to invest and hope to change your mind.

FWIW, as much as I love Barthod, my faith isn't what it was 10-15 years ago (yes, Jim, it's been that long). I've never lost faith in the Mugneret sisters. Spend your Chambolle money there, and we'll experiment with my Barthod.
 
Do either Pepiere or Luneau Papin ever not drink well? I manage to keep my hands of some of them by buying the next vintage and taking advantage of my short attention span. And I haven't been buying long enough to have anything older than 02 (I drank up my last 01 a couple of months ago--it was great), though I've tasted 20 year old ones thanks to the kindness of strangers (and friends). I haven't yet tasted one that made me think either that I should have drunk it earlier or that I need to let it sit.
 
originally posted by VLM:
FWIW, as much as I love Barthod, my faith isn't what it was 10-15 years ago (yes, Jim, it's been that long). I've never lost faith in the Mugneret sisters. Spend your Chambolle money there, and we'll experiment with my Barthod.

Also fond of Mugnier in that AOC.
Barthod confounds; at times I see small glimmers of something (at least I think it is) but the vast majority of bottles have been either hard or unremarkable.
Clearly, you and others (Claude, maybe?), have a high opinion of this house - I just wish I'd have tasted the bottles you guys did to get to that opinion.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Arjun Mendiratta:
Jim,

I've never noticed sulphur in young Thomas, but my experience only goes back to the '05 vintage. Was 2000 an anomaly?

VLM is right. Gunpowder used to be my descriptor for these wines in the late '90's.
This bottle was too much and, by the time it blew off the wine was a goner.

I understand (but have little experience) that from 2002 forward, things got better. The 2002 from mag. in Jauary of 2007 was delicious.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Do either Pepiere or Luneau Papin ever not drink well?
I wouldn't age the lower-end bottlings from L-P, nor of course Pepiere in fake cork.

I have an itch to drink a bottle of '88 Briords soon. It's mocking me through the glass of my fridge at work.
 
I have an itch to drink a bottle of '88 Briords soon. It's mocking me through the glass of my fridge at work.

At work? Lucky man...I open the fridge here and have top sort past the mouldy tupperware containers and expired-date victuals.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I have an itch to drink a bottle of '88 Briords soon. It's mocking me through the glass of my fridge at work.

What's it saying, exactly?

You must not be a child of the '60's.
Best, Jim

No, no, I really want to know. Is it saying: Go on, make my day? Hit me, I need the money? Is that a corkscrew or are you just happy to see me? Better lay off those candy bars? Hasta la vista, baby? If it's become no longer silly to anthropomorphize nature (this is a natural wine, no?), I need to know the exact words. Giggle (sorry).
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
2005 Vissoux, Fleurie Ponci:
Something wonderful, fruit sweet, considerable backbone, smooth, layered and just so juicy and deep one of those wines that gives definition to the word pleasure. I loved this wine on release and even more so now that it has shed some baby-fat and shown its depth. One of the most enjoyable wines in my cellar.

if you only had 1, drink or hold for awhile?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I have an itch to drink a bottle of '88 Briords soon. It's mocking me through the glass of my fridge at work.

What's it saying, exactly?

You must not be a child of the '60's.
Best, Jim

No, no, I really want to know. Is it saying: Go on, make my day? Hit me, I need the money? Is that a corkscrew or are you just happy to see me? Better lay off those candy bars? Hasta la vista, baby? If it's become no longer silly to anthropomorphize nature (this is a natural wine, no?), I need to know the exact words. Giggle (sorry).
It's playing drop the handkerchief.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
2005 Vissoux, Fleurie Ponci:
Something wonderful, fruit sweet, considerable backbone, smooth, layered and just so juicy and deep one of those wines that gives definition to the word pleasure. I loved this wine on release and even more so now that it has shed some baby-fat and shown its depth. One of the most enjoyable wines in my cellar.

if you only had 1, drink or hold for awhile?

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Seriously, I do not believe there is a bad time to drink this wine.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
That question unfairly gets a bad rap. It was actually an important question about the corporeal nature (or not) of angels, and was clearly a rather memorable way of putting the question given that it has survived so long.

Stop the campaign of hate against Aquinas!
 
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