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Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Ok, smarty pants.
If you had one bottle of the 2005 Poncie, when would you drink it so it tasted its best? (or not)
Best, Jim
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Thomas Aquinas never addressed the question of how many angels could dance on the head of a pin when he discussed the nature of angels. It is, I think, a 19th century satire upon his angelology and a well deserved one. Aquinas is interesting on proofs for the existence of god, on the nature of evil, on any number of ethical questions. He deserved everything he got for speculations on angels. Let the campaign of hate continue.
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
Me too.
Neither finance nor altar nor boy here - guy, yes.
Best, Jim
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Fortunately the Summa is on the web in a number of translations. Here you can read the section of the corporeality of angels: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1050.htm
Tell me you can read that with a straight face.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Let's bring this discussion down to earth. Did Aquinas ever address the question of when to drink Vissoux Poncie?
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
From the hitherto unknown section of the Summa Theologica on Wine and its life-span.
Article 1: It seems that Fleurie Poncie can best be drunk whenever one wants to.
Objection 1: All wines, having natural life cycles, must have a moment wherein they are in their prime since having a prime is a constituent element in natural life cycles.
Objection 2: One can always choose between any two taste experiences which one one will prefer. At any two moments, Fleurie Poncie will taste somewhat different in one moment than it does in another.
I answer that Fleurie Poncie can best be drunk at an infinite number of different moments in its life time.
Answer to Objection 1: The comparison of the evolution of wine and a natural life cycle is a metaphor. Metaphors take their power both from the identities and the differences between the vehicle and the tenor. One of the differences here is that while wines have beginnings and ends, they don't have to have primes.
Answer to Objection 2: Some differences create equal pleasures and while one can distinguish, one may not prefer. Fleurie Poncie's different moments in its evolution is one of those differences.
Article 1: It seems that Fleurie Poncie can best be drunk whenever one wants to.
Objection 1: All wines, having natural life cycles, must have a moment wherein they are in their prime since having a prime is a constituent element in natural life cycles.
Objection 2: One can always choose between any two taste experiences which one one will prefer. At any two moments, Fleurie Poncie will taste somewhat different in one moment than it does in another.
I answer that Fleurie Poncie can best be drunk at an infinite number of different moments in its life time.
Answer to Objection 1: The comparison of the evolution of wine and a natural life cycle is a metaphor. Metaphors take their power both from the identities and the differences between the vehicle and the tenor. One of the differences here is that while wines have beginnings and ends, they don't have to have primes.
Answer to Objection 2: Some differences create equal pleasures and while one can distinguish, one may not prefer. Fleurie Poncie's different moments in its evolution is one of those differences.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
Yeah, I'm a big fan, but you have to understand that her wines close up for a very long time and can be real drags if you get them while closed. I'm not surprised to hear that the 1999 is still closed -- I think the vintage overall needs more time (there are always exceptions, of course). But they'll come around -- the 1993s now are heaven.
As for price, I always find the prices here in the US quite steep compared to what's asked at the estate. But it's not just Barthod -- look at the prices here for Chambolle from Roumier and Mugnier, too. Even more than Volnay, Chambolle has repositioned itself up the scale, and in fact, only Vosne is pricier these days. (Wish I didn't have such market-driven tastes!)
Steve Guattery
Steve Guattery
Well, I read for a little bit and it seemed he is interested in spirits rather than in wine, so I gave up.
Steven Spielmann
Steven Spielmann
I read the Aquinas with a straight face. The initial assumptions of the discussion are likely problematic, but the metaphysical analysis is fairly penetrating and rigorous. I myself prefer, I think, to regard all substances as corporeal, but there are problems here no matter which way you go.
It's not absurd to investigate the theoretical entities of one's time, even if only some of them survive to the next generation.
It's not absurd to investigate the theoretical entities of one's time, even if only some of them survive to the next generation.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
And me, just sitting here with Rene, keeping the pineal gland from being lonely....
I just finished reading Muriel Barbery's Elegance of the Hedgehog.
Highly recommended to all here. Some interesting takes on German philosophy, Russian literature, Japanese films, beauty and art from the perspective of an erudite concierge of a bourgeois apartment building in modern Paris. Beautifully written.
Highly recommended to all here. Some interesting takes on German philosophy, Russian literature, Japanese films, beauty and art from the perspective of an erudite concierge of a bourgeois apartment building in modern Paris. Beautifully written.
Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
Jonathan Loesberg is the glue that holds this place together.
And that's not just the booze talking!
And that's not just the booze talking!
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
1985 Cras, for the record, was from Ghislaine's father, Gaston. But are you sure of its storage history? A 1985 I had 5-6 years ago (may have been Charmes instead of Cras?) was mind-boggling.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
K&L...so no, not sure of the history...Ghislaine took over in '87, right?
-mark