1998 Dagueneau Pur Sang sure is over the hill (with help from Politburo) AND new news, the '97 Silex is ALIVE

[kirk wallace]

[Some light editing has been done to this post in the name of good taste. The content has not been altered....The Politburo]

In the white wines that don't age category ....

Don't really know why I didn't drink these young -- and maybe i never even tasted this wine young, but liked the prior vintages so much that i bought it based on that -- but in any event, having opened 6 of these over the past 9 months, I can declare them (or at least my case of them) OVER THE HILL.

1999 Silex is, however, fortunately, quite alive and drinking pretty nicely. It doesn't have the liquid cut glass effect that it used to, but it is pretty and complex, and the fruit is still hanging in a nice balance with the acidity.

 

[Ned Hoey]

Might that be a vintage based outcome?

I had a 1990 Pur Sang in 2002 that was very much like your 99 Silex.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Ned Hoey:
Might that be a vintage based outcome?

I had a 1990 Pur Sang in 2002 that was very much like your 99 Silex.

Yes, might well be; I don't have Dagueneau experience pre-'95 (or maybe even '96).

 

[Ned Hoey]

It's too bad you didn't manage to enjoy more of the case sooner. I think that overall, most vintages of well handled and stored Dagueneau ages or at least holds well within a 10-15 year widow.

 

[scottreiner]

originally posted by kirk wallace:
1998 Dagueneau Pur Sang sure is over the hill (with help from Politburo)[Some light editing has been done to this post in the name of good taste. The content has not been altered....The Politburo]

In the white wines that don't age category ....

Don't really know why I didn't drink these young -- and maybe i never even tasted this wine young, but liked the prior vintages so much that i bought it based on that -- but in any event, having opened 6 of these over the past 9 months, I can declare them (or at least my case of them) OVER THE HILL.

1999 Silex is, however, fortunately, quite alive and drinking pretty nicely. It doesn't have the liquid cut glass effect that it used to, but it is pretty and complex, and the fruit is still hanging in a nice balance with the acidity.

the politburo is here to protect us all (repeat)

 

[SFJoe]

I have heard that Dagueneau himself acknowledged pushing the ripeness and etc. a bit far in that era, and that the wines didn't age as they might have.

I got off the bus after '97.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by scottreiner:

originally posted by kirk wallace:
1998 Dagueneau Pur Sang sure is over the hill (with help from Politburo)[Some light editing has been done to this post in the name of good taste. The content has not been altered....The Politburo]

In the white wines that don't age category ....

Don't really know why I didn't drink these young -- and maybe i never even tasted this wine young, but liked the prior vintages so much that i bought it based on that -- but in any event, having opened 6 of these over the past 9 months, I can declare them (or at least my case of them) OVER THE HILL.

1999 Silex is, however, fortunately, quite alive and drinking pretty nicely. It doesn't have the liquid cut glass effect that it used to, but it is pretty and complex, and the fruit is still hanging in a nice balance with the acidity.

the politburo is here to protect us all (repeat)

Who knew the Politburo was so dramatic (and sensitive).

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

I'd be curious to know what they found so objectionable. Did you say this was Dick Cheney's favorite wine?

 

[Bwood]

I am putting my bets on "hedonistic" or "gobs."

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
I'd be curious to know what they found so objectionable. Did you say this was Dick Cheney's favorite wine?

The P is apparently afraid of the ultimate step in the natural process for living things (wines and humans alike). Baffling to me; even if there are members in the P who are related to the lamented, late Didier.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Bwood:
I am putting my bets on "hedonistic" or "gobs."

Very Good! In that case, I would have to agree with the editing. But, no. RMP did not possess me as I typed the post.

 

[Bwood]

"Yummy"? "Slurpable"?

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
I'd be curious to know what they found so objectionable. Did you say this was Dick Cheney's favorite wine?

The P is apparently afraid of the ultimate step in the natural process for living things (wines and humans alike). Baffling to me; even if there are members in the P who are related to the lamented, late Didier.

Yes, I can see that if 1998 and Pur Sang were not in your original title, they might have found it objectionable (not to mention old news).

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
I'd be curious to know what they found so objectionable. Did you say this was Dick Cheney's favorite wine?

The P is apparently afraid of the ultimate step in the natural process for living things (wines and humans alike). Baffling to me; even if there are members in the P who are related to the lamented, late Didier.

Yes, I can see that if 1998 and Pur Sang were not in your original title, they might have found it objectionable (not to mention old news).

Yes. You are totally right Oswaldo. Nothing stings so much as old news. Eppur si muove.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by kirk wallace:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
I'd be curious to know what they found so objectionable. Did you say this was Dick Cheney's favorite wine?

The P is apparently afraid of the ultimate step in the natural process for living things (wines and humans alike). Baffling to me; even if there are members in the P who are related to the lamented, late Didier.

Yes, I can see that if 1998 and Pur Sang were not in your original title, they might have found it objectionable (not to mention old news).

Over the Hill

 

[Jay Miller]

For my palate not very good young either. I had a 2002 Pur Sang earlier this week that was just too intense and over the top for me. Sort of the ZH of the Loire.

 

[kirk wallace]

originally posted by SFJoe:
I have heard that Dagueneau himself acknowledged pushing the ripeness and etc. a bit far in that era, and that the wines didn't age as they might have.

I got off the bus after '97.

I found some '97 Silex and opened one tonight. This wine is great. Waves of beeswax and lemon at first, and then as the wine opens with some air, great mix of mellow urea and honeyed chamomille and mint (or is it tarragon?); in the mouth, its pomelo and grapefruit rind and stones and that persistant waxy, bitter honey flavor; amazing length and activity in all corners of the mouth. There is a touch of oxidation, but in a way that adds to the complexity. Given bad experiences with '97 Pur Sang in months past, and the really bad '98 Pur Sang last week, I am not advocating holding this for the long term, but if you have this in the cellar, I'd say open them and enjoy.

 

[SFJoe]

Anyone had any '02s lately?

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

Who knew the politburo had taste, good, bad or indifferent. In fact, to the extent that it manifests taste, can it really be a politburo? Authoritarian, capricious, dictatorial, sure. But politburos can't have taste. This is one of the rules of Kantian aesthetics.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

Wot about socialist realism? Can it not be called taste if it's instrumental?