Ros time again...Spring is almost here

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I think I'm a wuss, but both the Mordoree and the Perdrix I have trouble drinking until they've gotten a few years of bottle age. Well, with Perdrix I know I can drink it enjoyably with three years in bottle, with Mordoree I've only tried it too early to be sure.
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Other then LdH ros, why in the world would you want to go to the trouble of aging ros? It's like trying to bottle last years sunshine.

A ros is what it is when it is (pun intended).

And I, like everyone else is looking forward to ros season.
 
originally posted by JasonA:
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I think I'm a wuss, but both the Mordoree and the Perdrix I have trouble drinking until they've gotten a few years of bottle age. Well, with Perdrix I know I can drink it enjoyably with three years in bottle, with Mordoree I've only tried it too early to be sure.
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Other then LdH ros, why in the world would you want to go to the trouble of aging ros? It's like trying to bottle last years sunshine.

A ros is what it is when it is (pun intended).

And I, like everyone else is looking forward to ros season.
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There are certain non-LdH roses that age remarkably well.

Their scarcity in the market prevents me from mentioning any names.
 
Julien Fouet's Saumur (all cab franc) rose '08 is a real panty-dropper at the moment. Pale pink, right, and cheap. Everything I look for.
 
originally posted by Seth Hill:
originally posted by SteveTimko:
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
cousin to Ameztoi Rubentis.
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the real thing (not his cousin) just arrived. The 09 is really pretty and rumor has it will/may be the last vintage from this site (new highway or something like that). Gurraxaga rose is also really cool this vintage. Like cab. franc rose from the loire with muscadet mixed into it.
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Ah, you're kidding me. At least it will be a good send off.
I'll have to stock up on the 2009.
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Yeah, the '09 will be it from that vineyard, but according to the importer they're planning on sourcing grapes from another similarly old and ungrafted vineyard. I've heard a rumor that they'll buy from Gurrutxaga, but can't confirm. Gurrutxaga is actively planting and expanding holdings, though, so the question of vine age is something to keep an eye (palate?) on.
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I'll see Andre this week and ask.

Ametzoi 2009 is already gone at the wholesale level here. Not much floating at retail from what I can see.

Shit rules.
 
originally posted by JasonA:
Other then LdH ros, why in the world would you want to go to the trouble of aging ros? It's like trying to bottle last years sunshine.

A ros is what it is when it is (pun intended).
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The effort involved is relatively low, right? The reward can be astonishing. Sunlight isn't an unvarying constant.

Ross of pinot noir from fine terroirs for example, can retain vivid bright fruit and also develop
additional complexities. When that happens, I'm a fan.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by JasonA:
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I think I'm a wuss, but both the Mordoree and the Perdrix I have trouble drinking until they've gotten a few years of bottle age. Well, with Perdrix I know I can drink it enjoyably with three years in bottle, with Mordoree I've only tried it too early to be sure.
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Other then LdH ros, why in the world would you want to go to the trouble of aging ros? It's like trying to bottle last years sunshine.

A ros is what it is when it is (pun intended).

And I, like everyone else is looking forward to ros season.
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There are certain non-LdH roses that age remarkably well.

Their scarcity in the market prevents me from mentioning any names.
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Valentini, Simone, others.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by JasonA:
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I think I'm a wuss, but both the Mordoree and the Perdrix I have trouble drinking until they've gotten a few years of bottle age. Well, with Perdrix I know I can drink it enjoyably with three years in bottle, with Mordoree I've only tried it too early to be sure.
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Other then LdH ros, why in the world would you want to go to the trouble of aging ros? It's like trying to bottle last years sunshine.

A ros is what it is when it is (pun intended).

And I, like everyone else is looking forward to ros season.
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There are certain non-LdH roses that age remarkably well.

Their scarcity in the market prevents me from mentioning any names.
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Valentini, Simone, others.
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Knowing Joe, I think he meant Cotat.

I think improvement of Valentini with age has not been tremendous, IME.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
I always think the Tempier rose can handle a couple winter seasons.
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if taken literally, the stuff must age for decades. Global warming, you know.
 
I have a wuss palate in certain ways. There's a tension in many young roses, esp. from the south of France, that is offputting to me. I want it to be soft and gently fruity. Three years from vintage works out for me with Tavel at least.
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I have a wuss palate in certain ways. There's a tension in many young roses, esp. from the south of France, that is offputting to me. I want it to be soft and gently fruity. Three years from vintage works out for me with Tavel at least.
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It is interesting that you put it that way..I didn't like several of last year's Roses for exactly those qualities...perhaps 2008 is up your alley...
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I have a wuss palate in certain ways. There's a tension in many young roses, esp. from the south of France, that is offputting to me. I want it to be soft and gently fruity. Three years from vintage works out for me with Tavel at least.
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Sounds like Chateau Cambon's Gamay Rose might interest you...not without a bit of tension, but overall plush, and very long.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
VLM, wrong on Valentini. You 'anging 'round Kane?

I think L-B's rose will age. But champagne's different.
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Dunno Yixin, had a '99 Cerasuolo back in '07 that was pretty incredible.
 
From De Maison's Facebook page, responding to a question from moi:

Ameztoi is currently sourcing their Hondarribi Beltza for the ros... See More from two old-vine vineyards. They used to only source from one vineyard but a few years ago they found that the vineyard was slated for destruction in favor of a highway expansion. When options to save the vineyard were exhausted they started shifting their sourcing to another old-vines vineyard nearby. The 2008 and 2009 vintages have been a blend of the two sites but that is coming to an end. The 2010 will be sourced purely from the "new" site. Ameztoi Rubentis will live on and continue to be the same wine you've come to enjoy.
 
Had 2 very nice ross last week (already warm here in SoCal): 09 Donkey and Goat (DomaineLA), and the 08 Domaine Bart Marsannay.
 
originally posted by VLM:


I think improvement of Valentini with age has not been tremendous, IME.
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I will say that the first half of a bottle of the 2000 Cerasuolo was very good Thursday night and the 2d half magnificent for lunch on Friday.
 
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