Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
Gathered some non-geek friends for a handful of oldies, all from a recently described visit to a friends fathers cellar.

1961 Nicolas Charenton Quarts de Chaume
Lovely orange gold, showing almonds, botrytis and very light, entirely age appropriate oxidation. Fruit still very much alive, decent acidity, some dishrag and citrus notes. Quite lovely, and a testament to the longevity of chenin, given that this is likely a so-so producer who has long since vanished. Kept getting better as it breathed, and was still quite alive after two hours.

1979 Louis Latour Corton Charlemagne
Oxidized. Poured a touch for everyone out of respect for what this must once have been, and to contrast with the light oxidation of the preceding.

2004 Domaine de Roally Vir Cless 13.0%
Had this on standby in case the Latour was shot. Minerals and white flowers. Dense mouth feel, overripe, cloying sweetness, not enough acidity, some bitterness. As it breathed, the glass began to smell of cotton candy. A total disappointment compared to the 2002 Bongran Vir Cless (made by Gauthiers father, Jean Thvenet) from a few days ago.

1995 Leoville-Poyferr St. Julien 13.0%
Put this in a decanter two hours before the tasting but it smelled so good that I double decanted (strange that double decanting, instead of being more than decanting, is less). Cedar, graphite, plums and eucalyptus made for a heady cocktail. The follow up, however, was a let down. Still very tannic, in an unpleasantly grainy way, a bit hot, with residual bitterness. This needs another five years of charm school. But the multiple personality syndrome may never resolve. I dunno, maybe they should stop blending in Bordeaux.

1925 Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva
With hushed anticipation, opened right before serving, our grand old man of Europe. First aroma is, unbelievably, dill! Amazing that the American oak telltale can survive this long. The came other herbs, like rosemary, and a curious and pleasant grassiness. Totally sound in structure, with perhaps a touch more acid than fruit, but delicious. Eighty-five years old, unreal. Tasting not a day older than thirty five (in better shape than most reds Ive tasted from the 1960s and 1970s). Easily the WOTN, even without senior citizen discounts.

1975 Ernst Jungkenn Rheinhessen Dienheimer Paterhof Siegerrebe und Huxelrebe Trockebeerenauslese
We began with a strange bird and ended with an even stranger one. This TBA was made from Siegerrebe and Huxelrebe which are, in turn, crosses between Madeleine Angevine & Gewurztraminer and Chasselas & Courtiller Musque, respectively (thanks, David). First shock was on pouring. Its red! Botrytis and musty dishrag, the latter blowing off rapidly. Strong molasses taste, acidity not quite up to the sweetness, but lovely fruit. Cant say I tasted any tertiary complexities that might justify the aging of wine made from these grapes, but still reverence-worthy.
 
or maybe they should start making poyferre like they did between 1865 and 1994.

too bad about latour - an off bottle. they were quite good back then, and 79 is a very special vintage for white and red burgs
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Siegerrebe and Huxelrebe which are, in turn, crosses between Madeleine Angevine & Gewurztraminer and Chasselas & Courtiller Musque, respectively (thanks, David). First shock was on pouring. Its red!
And people complain about GMOs.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

1995 Leoville-Poyferr St. Julien 13.0%
The loss of this house is extremely sad. They used to make some great, distinctive wine.

Agree, emphatically. And yet rarely as great as they should have been.

Remind me to tell you about a forgotten vintage of LP which has done a remarkable 180 in the past few years. Or fatboy can tell you. Ah, the good old days, when we could have revealed such information right here.

Interesting about 95 and 96 LP though. I think Oswaldo's note does indicate that the former is messed up, but I suspect that only moderately so compared to what was to come later; this is complicated by a fantastic harvest in both vintages, making the wines tough to read when first released.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

1925 Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva
Thanks for taking the time to tell us about this. Thrilling to hear.

Amazingly, both Jeff and Brad tasted this too over the last two years.
Sure, but I'm going to believe Brad?

You were there. What'd you think? I know Gilman liked it. So did Manuel, though he was suspicious that it showed too young.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

1925 Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva
Thanks for taking the time to tell us about this. Thrilling to hear.

Amazingly, both Jeff and Brad tasted this too over the last two years.
Sure, but I'm going to believe Brad?

You were there. What'd you think? I know Gilman liked it. So did Manuel, though he was suspicious that it showed too young.
I thought it tasted like it had been 'reconditioned' at some point, and that the young extra wine was not integrated. But I have a dark and cynical outlook, and I've had my share of fraudulent old Bdx.
 
originally posted by .sasha: Remind me to tell you about a forgotten vintage of LP which has done a remarkable 180 in the past few years. Or fatboy can tell you. Ah, the good old days, when we could have revealed such information right here.

???

Worried that the assorted misfits who check this board will be competition on the auction market?
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Remind me to tell you about a forgotten vintage of LP which has done a remarkable 180 in the past few years. Or fatboy can tell you. Ah, the good old days, when we could have revealed such information right here.

Not so hot.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Overnoy.

Only if you're also posting it on eBob, WLDB, WineBerserkers, CellarTracker, eGullet and other venues, all at once!

Otherwise, give it up. I mean, damn, it's only Boredeaux.
 
Great notes, Oswaldo. Glad to heat that the Old Man Riscal was still alive and kicking.

This note reminded me:
1975 Ernst Jungkenn Rheinhessen Dienheimer Paterhof Siegerrebe und Huxelrebe Trockebeerenauslese
We began with a strange bird and ended with an even stranger one. This TBA was made from Siegerrebe and Huxelrebe which are, in turn, crosses between Madeleine Angevine & Gewurztraminer and Chasselas & Courtiller Musque, respectively (thanks, David). First shock was on pouring. Its red! Botrytis and musty dishrag, the latter blowing off rapidly. Strong molasses taste, acidity not quite up to the sweetness, but lovely fruit. Cant say I tasted any tertiary complexities that might justify the aging of wine made from these grapes, but still reverence-worthy.

...of a wine I drank in 2007:

Schottenhof 1989 TBA "Optima & Ortega", St. Johanner Abtey - 4 393 154 01 90, mahogany in color, the first scent is musty orange rind, followed by brandied cherries, then sweet pineapple, and omigod it's just one rich thing after another

Also odd Germanic whites -- ortega is Muller-Thurgau x Siegerrebe and optima is (Riesling x Silvaner) x Muller-Thurgau -- but these had done a splendid job of becoming something kaleidoscopic and lovely.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by .sasha:
Overnoy.

Only if you're also posting it on eBob, WLDB, WineBerserkers, CellarTracker, eGullet and other venues, all at once!

no two events are simultaneous, and depending on the annual production or the US allocation, the order may be significant
 
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