2002 Burgs @ Palate, Food & Wine

Gregg G

Gregg Greenbaum
Robert set up a great theme and dinner to explore '02 Burgs.

Greeting wine

N.V. Dosnon & Lepage Champagne Recolte Noire Brut - France, Champagne
this was handed to me. Ahh, rocks, gravel, minerals and acidity. Subtle citric flavors. Almost no detectable dosage. Nice way to wake up the palate. Needed food. Recolte Noir means dark harvest which led to jokes deeming this "satanic wine".

Chablis

2002 Vincent Dauvissat (Ren & Vincent) Chablis 1er Cru La Forest - France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis 1er Cru
Unmistakably, classic Chablis. This got better and better. Great future ahead for this wine. Exactly what I look for and expect from Chablis. A wonderful contrast with the Raveneau MdT. Polar opposites with both poles immensely satisfying.
2002 Franois Raveneau Chablis 1er Cru Monte de Tonnerre - France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis 1er Cru
Wow. Singin' from the get go. Exotic nose, intensely perfumed in an almost flamboyant style. Fat palate rounds out with air. Minerality kicks in. Great depth. Lingering finish. drinking very well now, though it will certainly develop more nuance and hopefully flesh out.

Cote de Beaune

2002 Domaine Launay Pommard 1er Cru Clos Blanc - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru
Showing pretty well tonight. A bit of oak initially. A rich, rustic wine with a nice herb/steminess. Pretty cherry tinged fruit. Structured and will definitely improve. I liked this.
2002 Domaine Annick Parent Pommard 1er Cru Les Rugiens - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru
This wine seemed closed. Pretty tight with a few hard edges. Tannins are in the forefront. Menthol, herbal aromas. The structure seemed to dominate at this point. There seems to be lurking material underneath all that framework. Needs time.
2002 Simon Bize Savigny-ls-Beaune 1er Cru Aux Vergelesses - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Savigny-ls-Beaune 1er Cru
Glad I got to check in this wine. Showing mostly primary flavors with dark blue fruits. I sensed a depth to fruit that I'm hoping will emerge with age. Very polished for Savigny. I really enjoyed this wine tonight and am happy to have a few more.

Gevrey Chambertin

2002 Domaine Denis Bachelet Charmes-Chambertin Vieilles Vignes - France, Burgundy, Cte de Nuits, Charmes-Chambertin Grand Cru
This wine was not shy at all tonight. Woah nelly. Big, lush, primary fruit. Hard to read this wine. It had it's appeal. Needs some years to settle down.
2002 Domaine Fourrier Griottes-Chambertin Vieille Vigne - France, Burgundy, Cte de Nuits, Griottes-Chambertin Grand Cru
A really nice wine. Maybe my favorite red tonight. A touch of funk and earth combines with the stewed dark fruits. Already beginning to show depth and complexity. Really well balanced with everything in place. Elegant wine. With time, nice savory notes emerge adding more complexity. Excellent length. Yum!
2002 Bernard Dugat-Py Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Lavaux St. Jacques - France, Burgundy, Cte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru
Started out showing mostly it's structure with tell tale flavors of herbs, stems and seeds that I associate with this producer. As it opened, it revealed more fruit and gained more balance. Another wine that is years away from maturity.

Corton Charlemagne (Blind)

2002 Bonneau du Martray Corton-Charlemagne - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
Served Blind. This started out tight but really began to sing with about an hour. Aromatics were a bit muted, with the palate being more expressive. Lemon custard with a great purity. Gained a lot of complexity with the last sip. This is starting to reach a nice place, though it needs more time to reach a mature drinking window. Thankfully no premox.
2002 Faiveley Corton-Charlemagne - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
Served blind. I've never had a Faiveley white before. Very creamy with tropical fruits: banana and pineapple mostly. This started out rather rich and dense and seemed to gain even more weight with time. Pretty long in the midpalate, finishing with nice length. A good wine, but for me, maybe a bit clumsy and lacking precision.
2002 Coche-Dury Corton-Charlemagne - France, Burgundy, Cte de Beaune, Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
Served blind and though I've never had this wine, it clearly stood out and was rather easy to identify. This seemed instantly open for business and just gained more of everything through the night. The aromas are intense with grilled nuts and lush fruits. A bit of sulphur didn't bother me and dissipated with time. Like great wines so often offer, the Coche was a bit of a dichotomy. The palate shows intensity and restrain. There's obvious intensity, yet at the same time it's not overblown. Though this sees a fair amount of new oak, it was never obvious. This wine exudes class and breed. It was clearly the most distinctive in the flight and like the Raveneau MdT, it is in a different class. Years of life and evolution ahead. A real treat!

Amazing tasting. No premox and no off bottles. Thanks to all who made this a great night.
 
Nice notes.
I need to marry a rich widow so I can drink more Raveneau.
Suprised to hear about the Bachelet. I don't have much of a track record there but they're usually restrained and maybe backwards.
 
Gregg,
Herbs stems and seeds is not the way I think of Dugat-Py - rather, big extraction, alcohol and not much complexity until very late in life.
Yours is an interesting take - I haven't had so many wines from this producer that I would trust my assessment.
Best, Jim
 
Yeah I hear ya. It's more like what I associate with the few wines I've tried. Mainly both Bourgognes, and a few of the Gevreys. I tend to pick up a lot of herbaceous notes on the DPs, or what I associate with whole cluster fermentation. I've tried only 96s, 99s and 02s so my sample is rather small.
 
Gregg,

Did you see Steve Goldun? What a great guy and amazing taster. I really need to visit next time I'm in the LA area.
 
originally posted by Mike Klein:
Gregg,

Did you see Steve Goldun? What a great guy and amazing taster. I really need to visit next time I'm in the LA area.

Steve is a good friend. I see him a lot.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

It's nice to see the 2002 whites living up to their ultra-exalted status.

. . . . Pete
There are many bottles of 02s that are victims of pre-mox. Many different producers unfortunately. We've cut back on selling white burgs too many irate customers and with that much age we've had to eat too many bottles. Many customers have sworn them off.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler: Yeah but
originally posted by Peter Creasey:It's nice to see the 2002 whites living up to their ultra-exalted status.
There are many bottles of 02s that are victims of pre-mox.

Lou, I'm aware of the premox reports with various vintages. All I can say is that I have neither run across nor heard of any 2002 white Burgundies being less than expected around town here.

Samplings of the 2002 whites that I've had or heard about lend credence to the extraordinary excellence of the vintage.

Maybe we've just been lucky!

. . . . . Pete
 
I'm not brave enough to open a Bachelet Charmes of that age; thanks for taking one for the team!

Opened the 2002 Bachelet GC ac. recently...the thing that stood out on that wine was the ripeness of the fruit - it was slightly candied and that put me off a bit...the wine did take an hour to open up. It was decent, but not as good as I'd hope for my hero Denis.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
originally posted by Lou Kessler: Yeah but
originally posted by Peter Creasey:It's nice to see the 2002 whites living up to their ultra-exalted status.
There are many bottles of 02s that are victims of pre-mox.

Lou, I'm aware of the premox reports with various vintages. All I can say is that I have neither run across nor heard of any 2002 white Burgundies being less than expected around town here.

Samplings of the 2002 whites that I've had or heard about lend credence to the extraordinary excellence of the vintage.

Maybe we've just been lucky!

. . . . . Pete
Really lucky, just came back from lunch 02 Fourchaume Fevre just starting that wonderful wafting sherry odor. F--k white burgs until I'm convinced they know what's been going wrong and they have remedied the cause of this shit.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
White burgs
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
originally posted by Lou Kessler: Yeah but
originally posted by Peter Creasey:It's nice to see the 2002 whites living up to their ultra-exalted status.
There are many bottles of 02s that are victims of pre-mox.

Lou, I'm aware of the premox reports with various vintages. All I can say is that I have neither run across nor heard of any 2002 white Burgundies being less than expected around town here.

Samplings of the 2002 whites that I've had or heard about lend credence to the extraordinary excellence of the vintage.

Maybe we've just been lucky!

. . . . . Pete
Really lucky, just came back from lunch 02 Fourchaume Fevre just starting that wonderful wafting sherry odor. F--k white burgs until I'm convinced they know what's been going wrong and they have remedied the cause of this shit.
Amen, Brother.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler: White burgs *&%$@ white burgs until I'm convinced they know what's been going wrong and they have remedied the cause

I'm slated for an upcoming dinner with Clive Coates. I wonder if he has any thoughts on all of this!?!

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Ignacio Villalgordo:
originally posted by SteveTimko:
Nice notes.
I need to marry a rich widow so I can drink more Raveneau.

Raveneau is cheap (i.e. GC cellar door prices are around 20). Blame the middle man
Can you actually buy wines at Raveneau's cellar? I had formed an impression that the wine was all spoken for and pre sold to distributors and importers.

Also, I imagine it would be difficult for an average Joe to get an appointment to visit Raveneau.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
I had formed an impression that the wine was all spoken for and pre sold to distributors and importers.

That's a very American take on it. I have French friends who have been getting their wine from him for years.

Though I assume by now he's reached a saturation point.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Marc D:
I had formed an impression that the wine was all spoken for and pre sold to distributors and importers.

That's a very American take on it. I have French friends who have been getting their wine from him for years.

Though I assume by now he's reached a saturation point.
Ah thanks. I wondered if it was true.
 
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