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Matteo Mollo

Matteo Mollo
Hello all. I was wondering if someone can point me to a good source for a lunar calendar that indicates root/froot/leaf days, etc. I have gotten them in the past but the site has since become defunked (read: i forgot where i found it).

Thanks.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
Based on the lunar phases? That's impressive.
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Nah, it's a little calendar of my own. It's loosely tied to lunar phases, but we had to add it up to 365 1/4 days, and that constrained things.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
Moon DaysHello all. I was wondering if someone can point me to a good source for a lunar calendar that indicates root/froot/leaf days, etc. I have gotten them in the past but the site has since become defunked (read: i forgot where i found it).

Thanks.
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www.biodynamics.com

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Brian C
 
I don't want to beat up Matteo in particular, but can anyone describe for me why it's reasonable to consider one day a root day and another a whatever day? Is it anything other than arbitrary? Did we run the experiment where we considered the need for fungus days and toothpick days in the calendar and agreed that the data didn't support their addition? Did we similarly run the experiment where we tossed the leaf days and realized that the calendar wasn't the same without them, or when we scrambled the days and decided that the order that is on the website was actually the right one?

The calendar has a peculiarly arbitrary and bullshit feel about it to me, but I haven't really examined the arguments on the other side. Are there any?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I don't want to beat up Matteo in particular, but can anyone describe for me why it's reasonable to consider one day a root day and another a whatever day? Is it anything other than arbitrary? Did we run the experiment where we considered the need for fungus days and toothpick days in the calendar and agreed that the data didn't support their addition? Did we similarly run the experiment where we tossed the leaf days and realized that the calendar wasn't the same without them, or when we scrambled the days and decided that the order that is on the website was actually the right one?

The calendar has a peculiarly arbitrary and bullshit feel about it to me, but I haven't really examined the arguments on the other side. Are there any?
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Please don't take this as my endorsement of the idea, but the justification I've read has been that since the moon can influence the tides, why not other things?

Mark Lipton
 
Logically, I don't see anything of interest. In practice, I find -- against my prejudices -- that most, but not all, producers who switch to biodynamie really do get an improvement in their wine. Perhaps the explanation is because Steiner was just incorporating old wisdom that producers already knew. But in spite of that, I've found no correlation between the days that biodynamie predicts for tasting and those it predicts for not tasting. Even the most religious biodynamists I've encountered seem to admit that -- I've had only one say that he considered not accepting my request for an appointment on a day that was not a fruit day, and even he decided against the rejection.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
most, but not all, producers who switch to biodynamie really do get an improvement in their wine.
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But switch from what? Conventional farming? Lutte raisone? Sustainable? Lowly generic 'organic'?
Organic farmers can not follow the Steiner program but still follow lunar phases. While organic is not a narrowly defined term and BD is, I think it's wrong for so many to automatically assume that BD is
the highest form of organic.

Claude, I acknowledge that you're just the messenger and my questions aren't directed at you. I pose them generally.
 
I'm sure the moon has an influence on everything, however slight. For that matter, stars probably exert an influence, too, but even slighter (more slight?). But the combination of the whole is ever changing and is different each day. Each minute, for that matter. So I find it rather conceited that we humans feel we can predict these phenomena and also silly that we feel its ok to simplify them into just 4 categories.

There seems to be some effects noted with annual crops and certain moon phases, but the evidence for perennial crops, like grapevines, is slim. I think that if a farmer really believes in this stuff, then his or her intent probably carries more weight than any cosmic influences.

-Hank, who tried out that moon calendar stuff for three years before deciding it was completely useless, and has been much happier every since.
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Please don't take this as my endorsement of the idea, but the justification I've read has been that since the moon can influence the tides, why not other things?
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Um, because the tidal influence of the winemaker walking past the cask is larger than the moon's influence on same?

As you doubtless know.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Er, um, eh?: click
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Hey, that's helpful.

It explains why there are four of them, and their order, and so on.

Not in any satisfactory way, of course, but it gives the history.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:

Please don't take this as my endorsement of the idea, but the justification I've read has been that since the moon can influence the tides, why not other things?
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Um, because the tidal influence of the winemaker walking past the cask is larger than the moon's influence on same?

As you doubtless know.
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I wonder if a fat vigneron has more influence than a skinny one.
 
I'm not Jeff, but:

Gravitational force (F) = GMm / (r^2)

where G is the gravitational constant

The gravitational force is directly proportional to the mass of the bodies (M and m) and is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them (r)
 
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
most, but not all, producers who switch to biodynamie really do get an improvement in their wine.
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But switch from what? Conventional farming? Lutte raisone? Sustainable? Lowly generic 'organic'?
Organic farmers can not follow the Steiner program but still follow lunar phases. While organic is not a narrowly defined term and BD is, I think it's wrong for so many to automatically assume that BD is
the highest form of organic.

Claude, I acknowledge that you're just the messenger and my questions aren't directed at you. I pose them generally.
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Ned -- Obviously the greatest difference one sees in the conversion from conventional farming.

Aubert de Villaine ran experiments at Domaine de la Romane-Conti for many years comparing organic and biodynamic and said that he saw little difference. The estate has now converted fully to biodynamic; Aubert told me that it was because it was more expensive to run a split operation than an entirely biodynamic one not because he believed in the superiority of biodynamie, although others have reported that he was convinced by its superiority.

Some others who have been organic for a long time and converted to biodynamie, such as Clemens Busch, have also told me that they saw little difference and that they are convinced that the major change is from conventional farming to organic, whether biodynamic or not.
 
I've read where people are using this Lunar calendar not just for farming practice, but also to determine when to open and drink their wines.

I guess I could imagine atmospheric pressures changing the way a wine smells or tastes on a given day.
 
Still looking for a free calendar for 2010...thanks.

Also, i have beeing thinking that since the moon influences the tides directly and the tides are variable from place to place on earth, is it not logical that a fruit day may not be the same everywhere at the same time. Ie. June 3rd is a fruit day in Ladoix, will it be a fruit day also in Falmouth, Ma?

Just thinking.

(looking for something like this download but for 2010)

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www.boissetfamilyestates.com

Also, what has Boisset done with Burgundy?
 
I bought several copies of "When Wine Tastes Best 2010 - A Biodynamic Calendar for Wine Drinkers" by Maria Thun, Matthias K. Thun from Steiner Books - gave some away as gifts as a bit of a joke - but guess what - so far it's pretty accurate in predicting whether wines will show well. So....
 
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