NV Agrapart, 1970 Beychevelle, 2007 ESJ TOBM

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Jay Miller

Jay Miller
Agrapart 7 Crus was its usual weightless delight.

1970 Beychevelle unfortunately was only slightly more interesting than a bottle sasha opened a few months ago. Lovely aromatics but similarly simple on the palate.

2007 Edmunds St. John That Old Black Magic was witchcraft in a bottle, it even cast a spell on my red wine hating cousins at seder. Rich without being heavy, I wish I had room to store some of this for a while.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
same source on the beych ? this can be a nice wine.
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No, this was a winebid purchase. The nose was beautiful but on the palate it was good but rather simple. Only followed for about 40 minutes though.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:

2007 Edmunds St. John That Old Black Magic was witchcraft in a bottle, it even cast a spell on my red wine hating cousins at seder. Rich without being heavy, I wish I had room to store some of this for a while.
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With the Old Black Magic under screwcap how long would/should one hold onto their only bottle?
 
originally posted by Ruben Ramos:
originally posted by Jay Miller:

2007 Edmunds St. John That Old Black Magic was witchcraft in a bottle, it even cast a spell on my red wine hating cousins at seder. Rich without being heavy, I wish I had room to store some of this for a while.
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With the Old Black Magic under screwcap how long would/should one hold onto their only bottle?
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I had 2006 last night and I think it could still stand a year or two.
Best, Jim
 
But is it because they have access to cheap grapes that no one else does, they have talent to make good wine from less expensive grapes or just plain greed on other winemakers' parts?
 
originally posted by .sasha:
same source on the beych ? this can be a nice wine.
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That's a trip down memory lane, having enjoyed quite a few excellent bottles of this in the 80s. But as with most wines, after 40 years aging you are lucky to still have a good wine, IMHO.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
But is it because they have access to cheap grapes that no one else does, they have talent to make good wine from less expensive grapes or just plain greed on other winemakers' parts?
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No; they have good grapes and do good work in the vineyard and vinify well. And they're in bloody Cramant, Avize, Oger not cheap grape sites.

What I was objecting to was the idea that there aren't others similarly tasty, similarly priced. I can name a big bunch.

But perhaps when imported to the U.S., there is a price difference. That I cannot explain.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by SteveTimko:
But is it because they have access to cheap grapes that no one else does, they have talent to make good wine from less expensive grapes or just plain greed on other winemakers' parts?
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No; they have good grapes and do good work in the vineyard and vinify well. And they're in bloody Cramant, Avize, Oger not cheap grape sites.

What I was objecting to was the idea that there aren't others similarly tasty, similarly priced. I can name a big bunch.

But perhaps when imported to the U.S., there is a price difference. That I cannot explain.
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Do you have specific recommendations? I enjoyed the entry level Clouet quite a bit and thought it modestly priced. Anything like that?

I'm assuming the Agrapart 7 is a cut above entry level Clouet, but I really don't know.
 
A quick check of winesearcher.com for the US shows that the Agrapart sells for between $30 and $40.

Veuve Fourny, Pierre Moncuit, Jean Milan, Diebolt-Vallois, Pierre Peters, Pierre Gimonnet, A. Margaine just to name some similar in style (all but Margaine are from the Cte des Blancs and all are chardonnay-based; all are low or moderate in dosage) are in that range, too.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
A quick check of winesearcher.com for the US shows that the Agrapart sells for between $30 and $40.

Veuve Fourny, Pierre Moncuit, Jean Milan, Diebolt-Vallois, Pierre Peters, Pierre Gimonnet, A. Margaine just to name some similar in style (all but Margaine are from the Cte des Blancs and all are chardonnay-based; all are low or moderate in dosage) are in that range, too.
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I just checked my usual sources and only the Veuve Fourny is priced similar to the Agrapart. Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
The rest are $10 to $15 a bottle more, if they have it at all.

Any opinions on Franck Bonville "Brut Selection" Blanc de Blancs or any of the Launois bottlings?
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
A quick check of winesearcher.com for the US shows that the Agrapart sells for between $30 and $40.

Veuve Fourny, Pierre Moncuit, Jean Milan, Diebolt-Vallois, Pierre Peters, Pierre Gimonnet, A. Margaine just to name some similar in style (all but Margaine are from the Cte des Blancs and all are chardonnay-based; all are low or moderate in dosage) are in that range, too.
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I just checked my usual sources and only the Veuve Fourny is priced similar to the Agrapart. Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
The rest are $10 to $15 a bottle more, if they have it at all.

Any opinions on Franck Bonville "Brut Selection" Blanc de Blancs or any of the Launois bottlings?
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I've also enjoyed Dhondt and Triolet's entry NV's quite a bit, priced in the mid $30's last I bought them. Agreed, that 7 crus is lovely though.
 
The great thing about both the Agrapart and the Pierre Peters is that they're available at my local Buy-Rite Liquors. It's a huge store by the Holland Tunnel exit ramp filled with cheap industrial wine, expensive pointy wine, and just a light sprinkling of really good wine. Those are 2 of the 5 good bottles they carry (along with Brun TD - now sold out, Les Heretiques and Pepiere Muscadet).
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
The great thing about both the Agrapart and the Pierre Peters is that they're available at my local Buy-Rite Liquors. It's a huge store by the Holland Tunnel exit ramp filled with cheap industrial wine, expensive pointy wine, and just a light sprinkling of really good wine. Those are 2 of the 5 good bottles they carry (along with Brun TD - now sold out, Les Heretiques and Pepiere Muscadet).
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How depressing is this:
Jay Miller's Buy-Rite Liquors has more good wine than three fine wine stores I can think of in Reno.
 
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