1996 Cazin Cour-Cheverny Cuve Renaissance & travel shock

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Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
After a lovely week visiting my wee daughter in NY, Im back in the USSR (of wine, if nothing more). Having enjoyed the 2002 Cazin a few weeks ago, I brought with me two bottles of the 1996 (buttressed by positive recent sightings from Jeff and others) and decided to open one right away, in defiance of travel shock. For comparison, the second will be opened in six months. Since Maureen STILL hasnt reported back on whether leaf days etc. are the same in the southern hemisphere, the second maiden will be sacrificed, like the first, three days after the new moon, to make sure the comparison is scientific, not to mention conclusive, from both the allopathic and BD viewpoints.

1996 Franois Cazin Cour-Cheverny Cuve Renaissance 13.0%
First, relief that theres no premox. Second, darn, there goes my experiment, this smells rivetingly lovely, a heady mix of limestone, nectarines and limes, shorn of baby fat. Bracingly acidic, with some of the strongest (and most pleasing) salinity I have ever tasted this side of cod, both in perfect counterpoint with a toothsome fruit sweetness that verges on the off-dry, reminiscent of some Vouvrays. Paired perfectly with a creamy Rivers Edge "Up in Smoke" smoked chvre from Oregon, wrapped in smoked maple leaves. Life is good.

While travel shock is most often used to designate the effects of rolling in the ocean for thirty days, I always fear that two car rides and nine hours on a plane might have been a frontal lobotomy to the bottle in front of me.
 
I think Maureen has the Thun biodynamic calendar, "When wine tastes best." It makes no mention differences between hemispheres. The calendar instructs the reader to adjust from GMT to the local time zone.

The Thun North American Biodynam Sowing and Planting Calendar is more specific. It also indicates that you convert to your local time zone from Eastern US time. For Eastern Brazil add 1 hour from March 14 to October 16. As I mentioned in the previous thread, transplanting times are different between the hemispheres.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
CalendarI think Maureen has the Thun biodynamic calendar, "When wine tastes best." It makes no mention differences between hemispheres. The calendar instructs the reader to adjust from GMT to the local time zone.

The Thun North American Biodynam Sowing and Planting Calendar is more specific. It also indicates that you convert to your local time zone from Eastern US time. For Eastern Brazil add 1 hour from March 14 to October 16. As I mentioned in the previous thread, transplanting times are different between the hemispheres.
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Thanks, Tom, I don't have access to that down here and won't be back in the US for several weeks. We drank it last night somewhere between 7:30PM and 9:30PM New York time, any idea what that means in terms of, well, appropriateness? Not that I am anything close to a convert, but it's fun to check things out...
 
I've had this wine with great pleasure many times over the years since relase and it's never tasted as good as it does now.
 
damn, I am derelict - both in answering Oswaldo's question (I do own both Thun books - but still not sure what difference southern vs. northern hemisphere makes) and in acquiring this wine, which I loved, loved, loved the one time I drank it (courtesy of Brad K.).

Starting at 6:30 pm, GMT, Friday through 9:30 am GMT Monday - root days (avoid).

ps - perhaps this accounts for the relatively poor showing of two wines at dinner last night - a 2002 mugneret-gibourg chambolle feusselottes from my cellar (too oaky) and a 1990 Raffault Chinon from Bob's (too tannic still - and imho too tannic for the fruit).
 
there is a sediment problem with older reds, but one which seems to cure itself a lot faster than I had imagined, a few days after arrival should do it

there is definitely a problem traveling with very young wines, they tend to get all out of sorts; I'd even include champagne here

so older whites are your best bet, and your story does not surprise me therefore; I recently got on a plane to germany with a btl of 88 CSH in the luggage, and it was superb with dinner the following evening
 
so, what does this 'out of sorts' mean? we have all experienced it. is there something in chemistry that can explain what is going on? and if so, how does it correct itself through time?
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
so, is there something in chemistry that can explain what is going on?
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Yes.

But I have no great ideas about what it might be.

Sorry to fail you.
 
So the Cazin was excellent in spite of it being a root day; a small strike against the theory.

I have no problem with the idea that travel alters wine, even if just a smidgen, since shaking any solution will speed up the rate of whatever chemical reactions are bound to happen anyway. But, other than sediment sedimenting, I have a hard time with the idea of chemical reactions THAT REVERSE THEMSELVES (excuse me for shouting) over the course of some months' rest.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
CalendarI think Maureen has the Thun biodynamic calendar, "When wine tastes best." It makes no mention differences between hemispheres. The calendar instructs the reader to adjust from GMT to the local time zone.

The Thun North American Biodynam Sowing and Planting Calendar is more specific. It also indicates that you convert to your local time zone from Eastern US time. For Eastern Brazil add 1 hour from March 14 to October 16. As I mentioned in the previous thread, transplanting times are different between the hemispheres.
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Thanks, Tom, I don't have access to that down here and won't be back in the US for several weeks. We drank it last night somewhere between 7:30PM and 9:30PM New York time, any idea what that means in terms of, well, appropriateness? Not that I am anything close to a convert, but it's fun to check things out...
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Root day, has been all weekend. This month is unfavorable most weekends according to the calendar.
 
'07 Keller Kabinett, '08 Rouge est mis, '89 LHL 1er were stellar last night.

Did I just say "stellar"? hahaha, I slay myself.
 
good thing the dressner tasting in on thursday then. Bad thing that the volcano drastically affects the geo-magnetism (and flight patterns).
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I've had this wine with great pleasure many times over the years since relase and it's never tasted as good as it does now.
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It's tasted damn good every time I've had it, except for the one corker.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
So the Cazin was excellent in spite of it being a root day; a small strike against the theory.
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unless switching hemispheres inverts the chart
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Tom's first post (the second in this thread) suggests that the difference is just one hour, which is the difference between my time and EST right now. Since the full moon happened on April 14 both here and in NY, there may, indeed, be little difference in BD terms.

I would have expected some kind of inversion based on that notion that water flows clockwise in the northern hemisphere and anti-clockwise in the southern (or the other way round), but I read somewhere that that's a myth.

So, both SFJoe and I are having great bottles despite the current leafosity. Have you been refraining for BD reasons?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
'07 Keller Kabinett, '08 Rouge et mis, '89 LHL 1er were stellar last night.

Did I just say "stellar"? hahaha, I slay myself.
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The Rouge Et Mis is awesome. We serve it at my place on 81st and Amsterdam, in case anyone in NYC is wanting to try it...
 
I still think the high humidity in Singapore, Shanghai and Hong Kong has fucked up most of the wines I drink here.
 
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