Syrah and chard. notes

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
2001 Jamet, Cte-Rtie:
At first, the same rambunctious child of a wine it was two years ago and then, the magic happens intense but composed, concentrated yet elegant, integrated but complex and typicit for the AOC.
A beautiful wine, just coming into its prime still vibrant and even nervous in the mouth but with style and character.
I chose this because Diane was making Rancho Gordo bean with bacon soup a superb match. Simple but perfect food with great wine; the sweet life.

2005 de Vilaine, Cte Chalonnaise Les Clous (blanc):
Either this is in the very initial stages of premox or it is closed came across as honeyed and mulled spicy but no sherried quality, richer then expected and yet still finely textured and a long finish. As the evening wore on, it got brighter and juicier so I am hoping this bottle was just a bit closed. 12.5% alcohol.

2007 L. Michel, Chablis Montmains:
13% alcohol; fresh lemon juice nose that is bight and pretty narrow becomes somewhat more open over several hours; nervous, vibrant and precise in the mouth with lots of cut and lovely Chablis fruit - it too opens over time; crisp finish. Too closed at the moment but lots of promise. Screwcap.

2007 Cowan Cellars, Syrah Dry Stack Vnyd.:
Expansive aromas of lilac, purple fruits and spice/pepper; medium bodied but concentrated with bright purple/blue fruit and pepper flavors, some mineral and light red fruit accents, satin texture, good integration and structure; long, fruit-filled finish. 13.9% alcohol. The overall impression is of a well balanced wine that saw no new wood.
(Aside: It may be unusual for the guy who made the wine to do a tasting note on it but, since this vintage will never be commercially released, perhaps youll let me slide. This bottle required decanting for about an hour to open up enough to serve. Its still not at peak but I thought it drank well (even in the absence of food) and my guests agreed. Indeed, I am happy with this wine.)

Best, Jim
 
I didn't want to hear that about the de Villaine. I thought the 2002 of the Rully Les St. jacques had problems. I'll be trying the 2008 Rully Les St. Jacques this week, I believe. Maybe just drink them young.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
I didn't want to hear that about the de Villaine. I thought the 2002 of the Rully Les St. jacques had problems. I'll be trying the 2008 Rully Les St. Jacques this week, I believe. Maybe just drink them young.

I'm hoping I'm wrong and since it did get better over time, that may be the case.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Syrah and chard. notes

2005 de Vilaine, Cte Chalonnaise Les Clous (blanc):
Either this is in the very initial stages of premox or it is closed came across as honeyed and mulled spicy but no sherried quality, richer then expected and yet still finely textured and a long finish. As the evening wore on, it got brighter and juicier so I am hoping this bottle was just a bit closed. 12.5% alcohol.

Best, Jim

This may be stupid, but can someone explain this "premox" thing to me?
 
Morgan,
Literaly, premature oxidation - hence, pre-mox.
There are a number of posts on other wine boards that go into great detail about this issue - ad nauseam, if you ask me. If you can stomach them, you may want to read some of those threads.
Best, Jim
 
In my shallow experience, the p'oxed bottles don't improve. It's a bit shocking to think of Villaine p'oxed, unless there is some new form of vineyard biota involved. As to making, he's near the pinnacle, que no? Anyway, I'm a recently-converted fan, so I hope it ain't so. Please tell us about the 08 St. Jacques, Steve, once you've tried it. I've been eying this one.

Thanks for the Michel note, too. I splurged on some 07 Tonerre recently.
 
originally posted by Morgan Harris:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Syrah and chard. notes

2005 de Vilaine, Cte Chalonnaise Les Clous (blanc):
Either this is in the very initial stages of premox or it is closed came across as honeyed and mulled spicy but no sherried quality, richer then expected and yet still finely textured and a long finish. As the evening wore on, it got brighter and juicier so I am hoping this bottle was just a bit closed. 12.5% alcohol.

Best, Jim

This may be stupid, but can someone explain this "premox" thing to me?

For what it's worth, I don't think they've even acknowledged the problem, which I suspect means they don't know what is causing it. Lots of suspects.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Syrah and chard. notes2001 Jamet, Cte-Rtie:
At first, the same rambunctious child of a wine it was two years ago and then, the magic happens intense but composed, concentrated yet elegant, integrated but complex and typicit for the AOC.
A beautiful wine, just coming into its prime still vibrant and even nervous in the mouth but with style and character.
I chose this because Diane was making Rancho Gordo bean with bacon soup a superb match. Simple but perfect food with great wine; the sweet life.

Hmmm, I've had this recently and my bottle was still very much shut down. Even after being open a good while.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Syrah and chard. notes2001 Jamet, Cte-Rtie:
At first, the same rambunctious child of a wine it was two years ago and then, the magic happens intense but composed, concentrated yet elegant, integrated but complex and typicit for the AOC.
A beautiful wine, just coming into its prime still vibrant and even nervous in the mouth but with style and character.
I chose this because Diane was making Rancho Gordo bean with bacon soup a superb match. Simple but perfect food with great wine; the sweet life.

Hmmm, I've had this recently and my bottle was still very much shut down. Even after being open a good while.

Based on the first couple sips, that was what I anticipated.
But in about thirty minutes (in decanter) I got an entirely different wine.
My memory being what it is . . . didn't someone (maybe Claude) comment on Jasmin bottling at different times? Hell, I can't remember anything anymore.
Anywho, if that's true, maybe Jamet does likewise?
(Just shootin' in the dark here . . .)
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Syrah and chard. notes2001 Jamet, Cte-Rtie:
At first, the same rambunctious child of a wine it was two years ago and then, the magic happens intense but composed, concentrated yet elegant, integrated but complex and typicit for the AOC.
A beautiful wine, just coming into its prime still vibrant and even nervous in the mouth but with style and character.
I chose this because Diane was making Rancho Gordo bean with bacon soup a superb match. Simple but perfect food with great wine; the sweet life.

Hmmm, I've had this recently and my bottle was still very much shut down. Even after being open a good while.

Based on the first couple sips, that was what I anticipated.
But in about thirty minutes (in decanter) I got an entirely different wine.
My memory being what it is . . . didn't someone (maybe Claude) comment on Jasmin bottling at different times? Hell, I can't remember anything anymore.
Anywho, if that's true, maybe Jamet does likewise?
(Just shootin' in the dark here . . .)
Best, Jim

Shit, disregard everything I said. I meant Jasmin, not Jamet. I didn't read carefully.

I stopped buying Jamet with the 1998.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Shit, disregard everything I said. I meant Jasmin, not Jamet. I didn't read carefully.

I stopped buying Jamet with the 1998.

The 1999 Jamet was nice.
The 1999 Jasmin was/is, too. Still have some that in 750 and 1500.
Best, Jim
 
The overall impression is of a well balanced wine that saw no new wood.
You know, Jim, it's very easy to confuse syrah and wood...

On premox, I was assured by Stphn Hbrt (extra accents deliberate) via another forum that the problem was all solved now, and everything was spiffy, and daffodils and parakeets were tra-la-la-ing along the avenue.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
originally posted by Morgan Harris:
This may be stupid, but can someone explain this "premox" thing to me?
For what it's worth, I don't think they've even acknowledged the problem, which I suspect means they don't know what is causing it. Lots of suspects.

Steve, The impression I got from some comments by Clive Coats recently when he was in town is that he pretty much has the same opinion as you.

The first thing he did upon arrival at our dinner was go straight to the Burgundies to taste them for signs of premature oxidation.

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Thor:
The overall impression is of a well balanced wine that saw no new wood.
You know, Jim, it's very easy to confuse syrah and wood...

On premox, I was assured by Stphn Hbrt (extra accents deliberate) via another forum that the problem was all solved now, and everything was spiffy, and daffodils and parakeets were tra-la-la-ing along the avenue.

What's the emoticon for an inward smile?
Best, Jim
 
I could avoid any chance of problems by just ignoring Jim'S review of his own wine. We have had the pleasure of tasting his syrah and lo and behold it's good juice. Now if we hadn't liked it I would kept my reputation for perfect manners intact and said nothing. I figure he just got lucky, no over use of oak, no flavors of port and truth is on his side when he said balanced.
 
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