TN: Last nights Syrah/Shiraz and Tokaj

Dinner at my place, all wines served single-blind.

M. Chapoutier Ermitage Le Pavillon 1997
Thanks to Remo, who thought this the best bottle of this wine yet. Healthy ruby-black with a soft purple hue, almost opaque at the center. Nicely subtle and finesseful smoky mineral, iron, roasted herbs and fruit, nicely balanced, backed by still slightly hard, but not much and quite finely grained tannin. Racier, crisper than the La Chapelle. Softer marzipan and caramel oak than in a bottle half a year ago. Cranberry if not lingonberry. Touches of anchovy and black olive. Some grey pepper. A suggestion of lamb curry. Ever so faint bretty sewage (no more than the La Chapelle). Fresh and a bit lactic, with touch of oxalic acid (enough for Christian to find it off-putting), tiny greenish bitterness to the tannin, Rainer wondered if the grape material may have been of heterogeneous ripeness. Barely changed after 12 hours, a little sweeter and thicker in terms of mouthfeel perhaps, with a whiff of noble tobacco, but the touch of oxalic acid greenishness and tiny bitter note, albeit not too noticeable, persist. Rating: 93(+/-?)

Paul Jaboulet An Hermitage La Chapelle 1997
A pristine bottle I bought at release, on subscription, in fact. Medium-light ruby-black, looks a bit evolved, verging on orange (albeit not quite yet) at the watery rim. Noticeably smoother, rounder, sweeter and evolved (as if autumnal) than the Pavillon, meatier, with plusher tannin as Rainer noted. Strong meaty roasted Provenal herbs, soft touch of bretty sewage that really does not hurt anything, mace, blackberry and morello, a touch of hung lamb. Very long, best on the lightly nutty-sweet, minerally iron and tannic finish. A bit Barolo-like, as Rainer noted. Tiny hazelnut coffee top note here, too. Not the substance of the greatest, and albeit long on the finish, a bit loose on the aftertaste. Seemed to let down after and hour or two in the decanter, as if in need to be drunk up as quickly as possible. But utterly beautiful after 12 hours. Lovely forest earth, mild lightly truffley dried porcini, very little and sweet horse sweat. Hardly noticeable, softly cedary oak. Flavourful, lightly ginger black tea like tannin. In terms of how well it showed (and I have been lucky thus far, with only a handful so-so showings of e.g. bottles Rainer opened for us unfortunately there appear to be at least two lots, one noticeably lighter, drier, if not altogether duller), my wine of the night (not in qualitative terms they were all outstanding). Spiced orange red fruit subtlety on the finesseful finish and admittedly light, comparatively blurred aftertaste. Rating: 94+/95

Ren Rostaing Cte-Rtie Cte Blonde 2003
Thanks to Rainer. While I am always grateful for an opportunity to retaste my third favourite Rostaing Cte Blonde thus far (after the 1998 and 1999), it turned out to be (almost) a pity to open this bottle, with the wonderful primary florality it showed at release completely shut down (or almost). Deep ruby-red with some black reflections, looks fresh and youthful which it is. Strong sea salt, a touch of dried lavender, so closed at first it was uncommonly nutty with oak. Ox tail meatiness. Nice depth. Firm sea salty/minerally finish. A whiff reductive with a couple of hours airing. Remos favourite wine of the night even so. Much more open, with oak nuttiness and reductiveness all gone, after 12 hours in the decanter. Firm and racy red fruit, nicely integrated roasted rosemary and dried lavender. So tannic one can barely tell how low it is in acidity (same effect as in all the greatest Northern Rhne wines of the vintage). Well-balanced and very long. Needs and deserves several years in the cellar. Rating: 95(+?)

Greenock Creek Shiraz Barossa Valley Roennfeldt Road 2004
Thanks to Christian. Opaque purple-black. Sweet blueberry and plum juice, chocolate, fig, coffee, a mere whiff of gaminess compared to some of the in-between vintages (this was really one of my favourite Barossa Valley wineries in the early/mid-nineties). Some cinnamon and vanilla oak, of course, but no problem in a wine of this size. Thick and rich, but a much mellower, sweet and Port-like wine, not quite as overwhelmingly powerful, intense, tannic and minerally as the fearsome 1995/1996 duo (at least somewhat adapted to modern taste, Rainer and I felt). Higher in alcohol at 16.5% than either of those earlier vintages, however, unnecessarily (in my humble opinion, especially long-term) but not offensively so. Had fun serving a homemade blueberry milkshake for dessert, but only Rainer seemed to notice the similarity. Having said that, what makes Roennfeldt Road what it is (that is, to me), the unique sandy metal and mineral soil notes, that combination of terroir expression and almost salty old-viney dry extract, really came to the fore after 12 hours. Nice mocha if not the malty hazelnut coffee top note of a Heitz Marthas Vineyard from the seventies (or, in its best renditions, Clarendon Hills Astralis). Unlike the lesser Greenock Creek bottlings (and a plethora of Aussie Shirazes), there is something at the core of this monster bottling that makes it truly worth cellaring not hoping to soften it, or for the wine to become lighter and more finesseful, as Francesco (who works for the importer) said when I served him a glass this morning, but for the remarkable terroir to surface. (Mini rant: the problem I have with all these modern blueberry milkshakes is that once one cellars the lot of them for a decade or several, they taste like acidified, that is, artificial yoghurt in a best case scenario, or gamy and slightly off-putting, if not medicinal like tooth paste in a worst case scenario. It seems as if one merely had a choice of either liking them young and burly, or be satisfied with what becomes of the better ones with bottle age, be that better for some or merely different for others or give up on the paradigm. Beastly wines like this one, which miraculously pull themselves together with bottle age, well, I know they are rare, but do admittedly exceptional wines like this need to be so expensive?) All in all, an ageworthy (and I mean literally: I would not drink this now) Roennfeldt Road vintage worth owning, provided one can afford it, perhaps not quite on the level of the 1995/1996 duo, but close enough. Rating: 95(++?)

Bott Pince Tokaji Asz 6 Puttonyos 2006
Thanks to Rainer who bought this as yet unlabelled bottle at the winery. Apparently Judit Botts (now married, her husbands name is Bod) family winerys first Asz? Bright medium golden yellow-green. Nicely calc-tuff minerality, a bit rubbery with botrytis and ripe exotic yellow fruit at first, with a touch of vanilla to the botrytis I usually only get in German Riesling (in top vintages) the same goes for that tiny blackcurrant cough drop top note (again botrytis). Intense balm mint and verbena, and softer dandelion and linden flower/lime blossom florality, more inner-mouth perfume at first than on the nose, but about equal after 12 hours in the open bottle. Nice grassy herbs. Sweet Williams pear juice (typical of Furmint, as Rainer informed our Tokaj newbies), rather viscous for 6P, probably over 200 g/l residual sugar, Rainer says (but we do not know). Ever so faintly tannic surface. Love the purity and florality, not too sure about the wines ageworthiness (at any rate, it is so pretty, hard to keep ones paws off). A tiny bit flabby on the back end for a high-acid 2006 (the sugar buffers the acidity very nicely, of course). Touch of new oak? Interestingly, the finest 2006s not only share a similarity in (high) acidity, but also a uniquely fruity-floral balm-minty white glue botrytis that is wonderfully clean and alluring (if that can be said of a youthful botrytis top note at all). Rating: 91+/92?

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
How are the prices of high end Barossa Shiraz holding in your market, David? My vague notion is that those wines are pretty much unsalable in the US these days (ITB folks please correct me).
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
How are the prices of high end Barossa Shiraz holding in your market, David? My vague notion is that those wines are pretty much unsalable in the US these days (ITB folks please correct me).

The 2004 RR Shiraz cost 360 CHF (338 USD), the importer was apparently down to three bottles when I had a chat with one of the sales staff this morning, who said, when I asked why the wine's still being allocated to customers instead of sold off no matter what: "There is no recession for wines like this."

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
How are the prices of high end Barossa Shiraz holding in your market, David? My vague notion is that those wines are pretty much unsalable in the US these days (ITB folks please correct me).

During a lengthy discussion with a NW DC wine store owner, this issue kept popping up: these bottles are little more than decorative. "But the scores!" the owner exclaimed. "The scores!"
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
How are the prices of high end Barossa Shiraz holding in your market, David? My vague notion is that those wines are pretty much unsalable in the US these days (ITB folks please correct me).

As you know, I had (Southern) dinner with a bunch of ITB folks Sunday and the consensus was that there are entire categories of wine that no longer have a market, including high end Shiraz.

Viable
2007 Rhnes
2007 Napa Cabs
Under $30 Loire red and white
Beaujolais
Muscadet
HEAVILY (50%+) discounted CA wines that started at $30-50.

Non-Viable
2006-2008 red Burgundy
2006-2008 red Bordeaux
Alsace, including Clos Ste Hune
White Burgundy
non-2007 Rhnes
non-2007 Napa Cabs
$40+ Spanish reds
$30+ Australian wines
Barolo & Barbaresco unless heavily discounted.

etc.

It's really bad out there on the supply side. Consumers are going to have a field day over the next 18 months.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Non-Viable
2006-2008 red Burgundy
2006-2008 red Bordeaux
Alsace, including Clos Ste Hune
Barolo & Barbaresco unless heavily discounted.

Consumers are going to have a field day over the next 18 months.

I like the way this math works for me.

But such continued deep discounts have to cause damage somewhere. And that damage is probably not in my interest as a long-term consumer of these wines?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
Non-Viable
2006-2008 red Burgundy
2006-2008 red Bordeaux
Alsace, including Clos Ste Hune
Barolo & Barbaresco unless heavily discounted.

Consumers are going to have a field day over the next 18 months.

I like the way this math works for me.

But such continued deep discounts have to cause damage somewhere. And that damage is probably not in my interest as a long-term consumer of these wines?

Deep discounts on wines that are already in the distribution system won't create direct financial hardship for the domaines. If the situation lasts long enough to force deep discounts in the price of wine from the domaines to importers and markets, then indeed ugly things may well happen.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
How are the prices of high end Barossa Shiraz holding in your market, David? My vague notion is that those wines are pretty much unsalable in the US these days (ITB folks please correct me).
There might be a couple of exceptions but overall you are correct.
 
Well that's a bummer about Burgundy (I can't believe I am saying this).

I recently tasted some delicious wines from the triad of 2006-2008.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
Non-Viable
2006-2008 red Burgundy
2006-2008 red Bordeaux
Alsace, including Clos Ste Hune
Barolo & Barbaresco unless heavily discounted.

Consumers are going to have a field day over the next 18 months.

I like the way this math works for me.

But such continued deep discounts have to cause damage somewhere. And that damage is probably not in my interest as a long-term consumer of these wines?

Deep discounts on wines that are already in the distribution system won't create direct financial hardship for the domaines. If the situation lasts long enough to force deep discounts in the price of wine from the domaines to importers and markets, then indeed ugly things may well happen.

It is my personal belief that the ground under the wine market has permanently shifted in ways that are almost as dramatic as the internet.

The wine business is a lagging indicator, in some ways, despite the fact that it is mostly a luxury good.

I think some business models are surely toast.

For the consumer, the short term is good. For some producers the medium term will be very, very bad. I'm thinking of unsold oceans of Barolo and Barbaresco as a particular example.
 
Nathan,

I keep hearing, for more than a year now, that the market for barolo, the wine that most interests me, is "disintegrating" and that heavy discounts are coming. And I've been waiting and hoping. I have, however, seen no indication yet in support of this idea. True, I buy the wines of a limited number of producers (G. Mascarello, Brovia, G. Conterno, Vietti, Vajra, Elio Grasso, Cavallotto, Produttori, Cappellano, G. Rinaldi, and a few others) and in fact it appears, at least from wine searcher, that there are fewer and fewer stores carrying these wines, which leads me to believe that they are selling.

So I am wondering whether I will ever see the discounts for these wines materializing, or perhaps just for wines that I happen not to be buying.
 
Oh, and they were saying that the market is not viable for new vintages of barolo? Then I should probably not be buying 06s yet, though as I said, the same point was made regarding 04 for example...
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
Non-Viable
2006-2008 red Burgundy
2006-2008 red Bordeaux
Alsace, including Clos Ste Hune
Barolo & Barbaresco unless heavily discounted.

Consumers are going to have a field day over the next 18 months.

I like the way this math works for me.

But such continued deep discounts have to cause damage somewhere. And that damage is probably not in my interest as a long-term consumer of these wines?

Deep discounts on wines that are already in the distribution system won't create direct financial hardship for the domaines. If the situation lasts long enough to force deep discounts in the price of wine from the domaines to importers and markets, then indeed ugly things may well happen.

It is my personal belief that the ground under the wine market has permanently shifted in ways that are almost as dramatic as the internet.

The wine business is a lagging indicator, in some ways, despite the fact that it is mostly a luxury good.
In the case of our store and from what I can glean locally you're correct at this time.
I think some business models are surely toast.

For the consumer, the short term is good. For some producers the medium term will be very, very bad. I'm thinking of unsold oceans of Barolo and Barbaresco as a particular example.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Nathan,

I keep hearing, for more than a year now, that the market for barolo, the wine that most interests me, is "disintegrating" and that heavy discounts are coming. And I've been waiting and hoping. I have, however, seen no indication yet in support of this idea. True, I buy the wines of a limited number of producers (G. Mascarello, Brovia, G. Conterno, Vietti, Vajra, Elio Grasso, Cavallotto, Produttori, Cappellano, G. Rinaldi, and a few others) and in fact it appears, at least from wine searcher, that there are fewer and fewer stores carrying these wines, which leads me to believe that they are selling.

So I am wondering whether I will ever see the discounts for these wines materializing, or perhaps just for wines that I happen not to be buying.

I've personally seen great prices on Brovia, Vajra, and G. Mascarello 2004s recently. A friend in retail who sells nationally sent out a list with Vajra and Monprivato at great prices with no takers. 0. Wow.

2005 is good, 2006/7 are excellent.

There is a lot of great wine out there that isn't moving.

There are always exceptions and G. Conterno may have seen a permanent price escalation (although I recently purchased the great 1999 for $82/btl), of the others only the Capellano Pie Franco may be immune due to scarcity. Haven't you noticed the softening of some Giacosa pricing lately?

If you "need" to have certain wines, you should go ahead and buy them, as I tend to do with Brovia Ca Mia, but if you can wait and are more flexible in your tastes there will be fantastic bargains. There is a lot of really good wine that is clogging up the channels.
 
I am sure you sold your 04s, though. I guess the issue is that the consumers might be pickier and so might skip some vintages, unless offered at very low prices, but I guess that is/was always true to some extent, no?
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
I've got 2003 Cappellano Barolos I would love to sell.

No one is buying, even at laid-in cost (and that is really a steal).

It managed to move at a around FOB through one particularly good local retailer.

It's fucking depressing.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Nathan,

I keep hearing, for more than a year now, that the market for barolo, the wine that most interests me, is "disintegrating" and that heavy discounts are coming. And I've been waiting and hoping. I have, however, seen no indication yet in support of this idea. True, I buy the wines of a limited number of producers (G. Mascarello, Brovia, G. Conterno, Vietti, Vajra, Elio Grasso, Cavallotto, Produttori, Cappellano, G. Rinaldi, and a few others) and in fact it appears, at least from wine searcher, that there are fewer and fewer stores carrying these wines, which leads me to believe that they are selling.

So I am wondering whether I will ever see the discounts for these wines materializing, or perhaps just for wines that I happen not to be buying.

I've personally seen great prices on Brovia, Vajra, and G. Mascarello 2004s recently. A friend in retail who sells nationally sent out a list with Vajra and Monprivato at great prices with no takers. 0. Wow.

2005 is good, 2006/7 are excellent.

There is a lot of great wine out there that isn't moving.

There are always exceptions and G. Conterno may have seen a permanent price escalation (although I recently purchased the great 1999 for $82/btl), of the others only the Capellano Pie Franco may be immune due to scarcity. Haven't you noticed the softening of some Giacosa pricing lately?

If you "need" to have certain wines, you should go ahead and buy them, as I tend to do with Brovia Ca Mia, but if you can wait and are more flexible in your tastes there will be fantastic bargains. There is a lot of really good wine that is clogging up the channels.

I don't know, I might be on mailing list of the "wrong" retailers. The only deal that I recall seeing was the 04 Monprivato at $67 or so - and it sold out within minutes, not surprisingly. But other than that, I've seen nothing (OK, 04 Cavallotto BB for $35 or so).
 
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