BTW, in a rather large tasting of 'real wine'-type Beaujolais in Madrid two weeks ago (yes, sometimes even us Philistines are allowed in such events), we thought that one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008, even ahead of Foillard: Jean-Paul Thvenet. From the still youthful aromatic palette to the unexpected depth, a very impressive wine. And a good drink too ('impressive' doesn't always equate to fun drinking, but here it does.)
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by SFJoe:
Zo?originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Tasting with both today. I'll report impressions and ask them each about yields.
Interesting day. Foillard had 08 Py and 05 Fleurie (gorgeous). Lapierre, only 09 Morgon, weirdly enough (in the past we're talking Aug tasting, here he brought MMIV, etc.). I'll do a separate write-up, but I'll give the punch line here: I don't know Lapierre from Adam, as they say. So I taste the 2009, he seems hesitant, wary, and hard of hearing. Finally, I lean close and ask of "rendements" (yields). He hedges.
Finally, as I make to leave, I thank him; he says suddenly that M. Lapierre would have liked to hear my questions. He's a friend of same, "Je suis homme d'affaires, mais je sais quasiment tout sur ses vins... Enfin..." [I'm a businessman. But I know practically everything about his wines... I mean...]
Foillard had an interesting response.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre: the Foillard is around $40.
Even the basic?
I was thinking the same thing: he might be comparing Py to regular.
Do y'all (pace VLM) get regular Foillard in the US? I have bought it for 8 (last fall), now 11 in Paris.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Tasting with both today. I'll report impressions and ask them each about yields.
show off! but, thanks!!
Then I had a specially prepared gougre apritive with Jol Robuchon, followed by a private tasting of mid-century Salon with the director of their cellars, and ended the day with a test run of Pierre Herm's latest pastries on a yacht docked in Neuilly.
I can go on. Actually, a friend considers writing a satirical blog of over-the-top Paris anglo foodie stuff.
Tasting at Aug was fun, though. If only people wouldn't fucking smoke.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by VS:
one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008 ... Jean-Paul Thvenet.
Agree wholeheartedly. An awesome surprise. Though the son, with his angst and earnestness and entirely modern-style Rgni (and crazy deep green-hazel eyes) was less convincing.
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VS:
one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008 ... Jean-Paul Thvenet.
Agree wholeheartedly. An awesome surprise.
Haven't had the 2008 but agree that they can be stunning from time to time. I have had more brett issues (in the past) than with the other producers though.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by VS:
BTW, in a rather large tasting of 'real wine'-type Beaujolais in Madrid two weeks ago (yes, sometimes even us Philistines are allowed in such events), we thought that one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008, even ahead of Foillard: Jean-Paul Thvenet. From the still youthful aromatic palette to the unexpected depth, a very impressive wine. And a good drink too ('impressive' doesn't always equate to fun drinking, but here it does.)
My favorite of the four.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VS:
one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008 ... Jean-Paul Thvenet.
Agree wholeheartedly. An awesome surprise. Though the son, with his angst and earnestness and entirely modern-style Rgni (and crazy deep green-hazel eyes) was less convincing.
I've also found Charly to be less convincing...
Nicolas Mestre
Nicolas Mestre
It seems that Py and Courcelette are what KLWM offers. I've never seen a "basic" Morgon from Foillard stateside.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
It seems that Py and Courcelette are what KLWM offers. I've never seen a "basic" Morgon from Foillard stateside.
To my knowledge, Courcelette is the cheaper/basic Foillard Morgon. Since you were responding to VS's comment about the 'basic' Foillard I figured that's what you were talking about. And I was shocked to hear about it at $40. (Would actually be shocked to hear about the CdP at $40 retail, but such is life).
But, it is very possible that you and VS were not talking about the same bottles/labels.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
2008 Courcelette is $34 at Kermit's shop, same as Cte de Py.No lot number that I could find on the former.
I don't check the Jeebus page, but let me know about the meal that yixin orders.
I don't check the Jeebus page, but let me know about the meal that yixin orders.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
followed by a private tasting of mid-century Salon with the director of their cellars
I've done this. It was actually a bit of a disappointment.
A lot of what I thought to be "overmature" flavors in the examples from the '60s and even '70s. The bottles were straight from the source, so storage wasn't to blame.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Rahsaan:
To my knowledge, Courcelette is the cheaper/basic Foillard Morgon. Since you were responding to VS's comment about the 'basic' Foillard I figured that's what you were talking about.
No, he does an unnamed simple Morgon. With a white label and script writing very similar in look to Lapierre's. That's the one I can get so inexpensively in Paris. And it's a nice wine, as you'd expect.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
A lot of what I thought to be "overmature" flavors in the examples from the '60s and even '70s. The bottles were straight from the source, so storage wasn't to blame.
Isn't the big "secret" of Salon that the wines don't perform well much of the time, or do go flabby/oxidized? I remember some gigantically proportioned flap about that a few years back on eRobertParker.
(I also vaguely recall that some claimed air brought them "back to life.")
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
I am not as hip to the eParker scene as those who cheer for Arsenal.
Link, please?
Link, please?
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
As stated, this was some time ago. But my search technique is stellar! (That's the kind of winegeek I am.) I will not tell you you too could have searched, for I did the (remarkably quick) legwork. I got this within seconds:
"Salon from the '60s to the '90s".
"Salon from the '60s to the '90s".
Ignacio Villalgordo
Ignacio Villalgordo
originally posted by VS:
BTW, in a rather large tasting of 'real wine'-type Beaujolais in Madrid two weeks ago (yes, sometimes even us Philistines are allowed in such events), we thought that one guy stood out very clearly with his Morgon Vieilles Vignes 2008, even ahead of Foillard: Jean-Paul Thvenet. From the still youthful aromatic palette to the unexpected depth, a very impressive wine. And a good drink too ('impressive' doesn't always equate to fun drinking, but here it does.)
The Metras L'Ultime 2005 was the other standout in the tasting; which included Chamonard, Merlin, Foillard, Thevenet, Descombes, Lapierre, Pacalet, Piron and Domaine des Cotes de la Moliere
Nicolas Mestre
Nicolas Mestre
Kermit only sells the CdP and the Courcelette and the ex-cellars price is the same for both...way more expensive than any other of the Four.