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originally posted by Yule Kim:
Anybody been to Alinea? Is it as good as French Laundry?

How's the wine list there?

Alinea is fantastic, but only if you're in the right frame of mind. I went to celebrate the end of a long semester and just didn't have the mental reserves to match all that cerebral food. We had the paired wines - no notes on hand right now, but I recall a Hofstatter gewurztraminer being a "skies open up and angels singing" kind of moment. I also have no memory of the full list, but they were offering a "high-roller" supplement to the wine pairing that included Sine Qua Non, if that's a data point of any kind.

For my money, L2O is your better bet for high end dining. Intellectual in a completely different way. The list is pretty straightforward for Chicago but there are some gems to be found (http://www.l2orestaurant.com/pdf/L2O_Wine.pdf).
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Anybody been to Alinea? Is it as good as French Laundry?

How's the wine list there?

i wonder if they are in any way comparable. i have never been to alinea, but as i understand it, it is all about molecular stuff, and therefore really apples to the french laundry's oranges...
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Anybody been to Alinea? Is it as good as French Laundry?

How's the wine list there?

i wonder if they are in any way comparable. i have never been to alinea, but as i understand it, it is all about molecular stuff, and therefore really apples to the french laundry's oranges...

Or flotsam to jetsam?
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Anybody been to Alinea? Is it as good as French Laundry?

How's the wine list there?

i wonder if they are in any way comparable. i have never been to alinea, but as i understand it, it is all about molecular stuff, and therefore really apples to the french laundry's oranges...

Indeed two very different planets.
While I am more into traditional cuisine lately, I personally still enjoyed Alinea much more. TFL was so super subtle in everything that it bordered on boring. In contrast, Alinea is a firework of witty and usually surprisingly tasty absurdities. And the waitstaff is a lot of fun. I had good wine experiences in both with quite a few interesting surprises. To me Alinea is the much more exciting place, with the quality of the cooking absolutely equal to TFL.

Regarding Chicago I am another strong supporter of avec. Or bring your own wines and try to get a table at Schwa.
 
Oh, I made the comparison to French Laundry because I think Achatz was a Keller protege, but I might be wrong. But, yes, the cuisine styles seem quite different.
 
a tavola for very authentic regional Italian fare and spectacular gnocchi. The lamb was properly pink, pork shank and barolo braised beef short ribs were perfect. Wine list is small, entirely Italian, and populated with high end Barolos but some decent lower priced alternatives.
 
not exactly setting the world on fire with wine options at restaurants. I've been trying to think of a reply to this thread for a few days now and after talking about the state of restaurant lists in Chicago with a few people, I have come to the (not-so-definite) conclusion that while you can find something good to drink at most of the decent restaurants, the most exciting lists in town are at the wine bars. Webster's Wine Bar and Rootstock in particular. Both places you can get food at if so inclined (the burger at Rootstock is tasty). Of course you're going to get your tonied, prize lists at L2O and Trotter's and Alinea (where evidently most go for the pairings [which has included Sine Qua Non but also Magma] as opposed to ordering off the list). One of the best lists (but priced to match) is at Spiaggia. The wine director there is given a good deal of autonomy and brings in some exciting things (just wish I could afford to go there). If you're rolling in with an expense account, might want to check it out.

There have been quite a few places opening up within the last six months or so but I'm a little partial to particular neighborhoods and areas. Much like some not going above 14th St in New York, I don't venture up to the North side of the city very often (and avoid Wrigleyville like the plague).

Places I can recommend (because I've been there and like them):
Avec (Paul Kahan tapas-y place)
Publican (Paul Kahan farm to table place)
Big Star (Paul Kahan tacos and beer place)
Longman & Eagle (meaty meat meat place in Logan Square)
Nightwood (farm to table in Pilsen)
Birreria Reyes de Octolan (insane goat's head tacos in Pilsen)
Xoco (Bayless empire)
Frontera (Bayless empire)
Mana (great vegetarian)
Green Zebra (fancier vegetarian)
Schwa (incredible BYO)
Belly Shack (owners of Urban Belly's Korean style sandwich place)
Irazu (Costa Rican BYO)
Naha (fancy business-y good for lunch)
Lula Cafe (Monday night farm dinner is a good deal)
West Town Tavern (straight forward nothing fancy but good; tasty fried chicken)
Hot Dougs (stand in line. it's worth it. esp the weekend duck fat fries)
Purple Pig (MI Ave. Just had lunch there. Fucking tasty. Again list is going to set hearts aflame, but they do have Lopez Heredia stuff. Great for lunch.)

Places that are supposed to be good or getting buzz (but I haven't been to yet):
Bristol
Revolution Brewing
Salpicon
Urban Belly
Alinea, Trotter's, L2O, etc.

That should keep you busy for a while. Use that Google site for more info. I'm sure I've forgotten a few places, like Mado which is good but not great. Also, do yourself a favor and try to hit an old-man, corner bar (we've got a few). I recommend Richard's (in my neighborhood).

Oh yeah, wine stores in case you go to a BYO:
Perman Wine (West Loop; my preferred joint)
Red & White (Wicker Park)
Binny's (throw a rock and you should hit one)
Lush (there's a couple)
Howard's Wine Cellar (um, not sure of the 'hood; North)
 
originally posted by lars makie:
Chicago: Great For Food...not exactly setting the world on fire with wine options at restaurants.
Indeed. I'd suggest you might be better off just heading to Howard's Wine Cellar in Belmont, picking out a really good Burg/Rhone/Riesling from there and then finding a BYO nearby to open it at. No shortage of good restaurants (and in addition to the ones listed, I'd also suggest Spoon Thai near the Western brown line station for awesome Thai food and a very friendly no corkage fee policy). For lunch, Hot Doug's is also fantastic.
 
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