Wine store temperatures

Sharon Bowman

Sharon Bowman
Yesterday I stopped in at Lafayette Gourmet, the gastronomic wing of the high-end Galeries Lafayette department store. Its gourmet floor is just nifty, finely presented, exquisite in its range of foies gras, caviars, smoked salmons of labeled origins, charcuterie, birds, ducks, fowl, stop me. In any event, across on the other side of that level is the wine wing, formerly presided over by Bruno Quenioux, brother of the Cheverny winemaker Michel Quenioux. But now it's not, I hear.

It was maybe 75F out in Paris at the time (put that in your pipe and smoke it, New York!). And inside the wine area of Lafayette Gourmet, oh, my. Not so good. So not so good. Hints of sauna. Let's simmer those natural wines, eh?

And I was reminded of my visit on the previous day to my local hole-in-the-wall, the Cave des Abbesses. That place, it ne paie pas de mine (i.e., it's a rundown hole-in-the-wall), but the wine choice is fresh and interesting. And as I stepped onto its grubby tiles I felt the cool of well-calibrated air conditioning hit me. As the shaved-headed and very kind owner started to talk to me, I nodded silent approval for the seemingly obvious but all-too-infrequent attention to temperature.

Yes, it never gets too, too hot in Paris. But still. Many stores that should know better simply don't. I opened a well-cooked NV Jacky Blot Triple-Zro from Lafayette. As John Lennon sang, "Iiiiiiii shoulda known better..."

Aug is the most rigorous in Paris. There are a few others. Le Verre Vol cooks its customers but stores its wines behind the scenes in a well-refrigerated zone.

Do you, other Disorder readers, find that American wine stores pay better attention to temperatures than most French?
 
Moore Brothers is the most attentive to temperature control of the retailers I've done business with over the years. 56 degrees 24/7. All wines shipped at same temp.
 
Most stores have some kind of air-conditioning in NYC because we can get some hot weeks in the summer (100F/38C daytime). Some neighborhood places, though, are kinda careless about letting strong sunlight hit the near-window shelves.

I think the danger of cooked wines is far worse in the winter, when these same shops are heated (because we also get cold weeks, 15F/-10C).
 
Can't compare the French (although I would love to), but I buy from stores that pay attention to temperature, and not from those that don't. Wine is fraught with enough perils (e.g., corked, cooked in transit). Wine cooked in the store is easily enough avoided.
 
Sharon, have you been to Les Papilles in the 5th? Nice selection but curiously warm for the careful attention given the wine selection. Maybe they turn over their inventory quickly.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
There are famously hot stores in NYC. 14th St. is a good place to look for them.

You beat me to it, Joe. "The oven on 14th St.," as you put it some years back.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Sharon, have you been to Les Papilles in the 5th? Nice selection but curiously warm for the careful attention given the wine selection. Maybe they turn over their inventory quickly.

Yes, I've been there and I love the place, but I think they do what not a few French places do, which is stock "higher end" wines in a temperature-controlled space and "ordinary" wines in the un-AC'd space. Not ideal, I agree. I guess the theory is that the less-pricy wines will turn over more rapidly.

The food is great, though. I had one very memorable meal there a year and a half ago with a Pacalet Ruchottes-Chambertin.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Sharon, have you been to Les Papilles in the 5th? Nice selection but curiously warm for the careful attention given the wine selection. Maybe they turn over their inventory quickly.

Yes, I've been there and I love the place, but I think they do what not a few French places do, which is stock "higher end" wines in a temperature-controlled space and "ordinary" wines in the un-AC'd space. Not ideal, I agree.

The food is great, though. I had one very memorable meal there a year and a half ago with a Pacalet Ruchottes-Chambertin.

I ate there first week of April and loved it too. Looks like I missed all the good weather though. It was miserable that week.
 
First visit to Les Papilles in January. Interesting contrast between the fine selection, warm temps and the meticulous manner of the owner playing with his argon bottle preservation system. The oldtimer pair of vintage booksellers next to us were a blast as they happily shared their Breton Bourgueil and much helpful advice about living and dining in Paris (all in French that I caught < 50% of). Excellent lunch.

56 Degrees in Bernardville, NJ.

RT
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Scott Kraft:
originally posted by SFJoe:
There are famously hot stores in NYC. 14th St. is a good place to look for them.

Are they still around?!
The website hasn't been updated since May 24, 2008 but they just answered the phone....

So sad. I hope that's where Paulson and Pandit buy.
 
I didn't drink high-end at Les Papilles, but an Allemand 2002 Cornas was just fine despite the heat.
 
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