Herv Souhaut 2007 Syrah

Actually my father's tastes run to Riesling. And more Riesling. Sweet, and/or sweeter seems to be the rule. He has not much use for red wine, I am afraid.

But I like the Souhaut wines, I even liked the 2003 Gamay I tried at Terroir. He must make good wines if I liked a 2003.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Haven't yet had one I didn't love.
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Lucky you.

I've also liked a bunch of them in the past. The good/stable bottles that is. And they are definitely vulnerable to less-than-stable bottles.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Funny associations
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Good news! I have only tasted his wines once...
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??? I'm fairly sure that I've read paeans about Souhaut's wines from you before I tried one of them at Toledo last year. Do I misremember?

Mark Lipton
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Mark, you so do!

Really have no experience other than frostbite!
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On reflection, I believe that I'd mistakenly assumed your approbation on the basis of VLM's hate of the wines. Hipster Syrah and all that. Apologies for doubting you.

Mark Lipton
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I am not a fan. At all.

Wine is not a philosophical stance. It is an agricultural product where one needs to be flexible and open to all the tools available. That produces the most honest wine, IMO.

Vins de philosophe are masturbation or marketing.
 
It took you long enough. I was on the edge of my seat with anticipation.

Of course, I could have just looked back at one of other dozen times you've written this...
 
Wine evaluation is not a philosophical stance. It is an agricultural product where one needs to be flexible and open to all the tools available. That produces the most honest wine evaluation, IMO.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
Wine evaluation is not a philosophical stance. It is an agricultural product where one needs to be flexible and open to all the tools available. That produces the most honest wine evaluation, IMO.
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Fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that aesthetic judgment is exactly the kind of thing that philosophy was invented for, but hopefully the professor will pedant us on this a bit.

Unless of course you mean that drinking wine can make one philosophical. I agree, but scotch works better.
 
maybe I look at things more simply than most but I don't care if my waiter is a republican or a democrat, as long as he brings me my food.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
maybe I look at things more simply than most but I don't care if my waiter is a republican or a democrat, as long as he brings me my food.
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2 eggs over easy with grits and country ham coming up.
 
Souhaut is brilliant. One of my favs is la Souterrone, old vine gamay.

The '08s were a little closed last time I tasted--two months ago. A little unsettled. These are under synthetic cork (he was a student of Dard & Ribo) so don't give them too much time but could use a little more.
 
originally posted by Alice F.:
Souhaut is brilliant. One of my favs is la Souterrone, old vine gamay.

The '08s were a little closed last time I tasted--two months ago. A little unsettled. These are under synthetic cork (he was a student of Dard & Ribo) so don't give them too much time but could use a little more.
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You and Mike are welcome to all the Souhaut and D&R. The wines of Souhaut are more acceptable to me. Dard & Ribo wines are more problematic because they have commendable terroir that they mask with a distinct winemaking philosophy.
 
originally posted by Alice F.:
Souhaut is brilliant. One of my favs is la Souterrone, old vine gamay.

The '08s were a little closed last time I tasted--two months ago. A little unsettled. These are under synthetic cork (he was a student of Dard & Ribo) so don't give them too much time but could use a little more.
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Thanks Alice. Good to know about the syn cork.
 
I'll pass on the D&R, I haven't been impressed by what I've had from them. But I'll take the Souhaut, thanks. Other than the peripheral "philosophy" commonality which I am aware of, but do not really care much about - I don't see much in common between the two from what I've tasted. Maybe they are similar in approach, but the final products are very different - at least the ones I've had.

Well, I guess they both also use synth cork.
 
They both use carbonic.
I don't find it masks the D&R terroir at all, however. I find them true.

Of course I'm mixing my metaphors by bringing up Pfifferling in the south, but what the hell. He's someone who makes wine I quite like, but as a user of 'The Technique," I can't tell his grenache from his syrah, but a vin de soif if ever there was.
 
Tasted my first souhaut yesterday, ste epine 06. Syn cork, some carbonic, very wild easy going expression of syrah. 38. Good wine but a clear pass at that price
 
back from the dead for this thread! 38 euros is more than what I paid, in the US, for that wine. Even with the recently devalued euro ($1.24), I probably paid the equivalent of 24 Euros. For $47.00, I'd pass too!
 
Drinking the '08 Syrah right now. Not really feeling it. Seems a bit light and thin. Very reticent. Maybe it's closed as Alice mentions above? Maybe I didn't store it properly? I didn't know it was so akin to D&R and I didn't keep as close an eye on storage (granted I've only had it for a couple weeks) as I could have. Still, just light; watery even. Not much on the nose. Faint, faint fresh red berries. Lot of stink at first that eventually blew off. Just disappears from the palate after a sip. Meh. Could it be an aspect of the vintage? Whatever. I'd rather have a bottle of Dard et Ribo. Or maybe one of Souhaut's '07s.
 
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