Kermit Lynch 4/10

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Brzme:

originally posted by guilhaume:


Eric, i want to see the numbers....

Buy the machine.
Or bring something to drink.

Where can I get one? We should all carry one around.

Try here:

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www.wine-testing-supplies.com

I've been sorely tempted to get one since that thread in which Eric mentioned it, but fear becoming an even greater maniac.

 

[Cory Cartwright]

originally posted by Kevin Roberts:

originally posted by lars makie:

originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
What is the advantage of being the Fox news of wine blogging?

I always think of it more akin to Yo! MTV Raps. But without Dr. Dre.

If my very shady adolescent memory serves me right, that Dre was no Dr.

Does that make Lyle the Ed Lover of wine?

Cheers,

Kevin

He was Dr. as well as the other Dr. Dre

 

[Lyle Fass]

Been called a lot of things but Fox News is great. Jesus and Fox News in the same thread. You'd think I was carrying a bible around Scottsdale driving in my pickup truck asking brown-looking people for their immigration papers? By the time I get to Arizona . . . .

What Mr. Mestre seems to be saying is he likes what he likes. No surprise there as this is a wine board where people give their opinions on wines. Isn't that how this thread was started? As my opinion might be new to him, it is possibly viewed as threat, which is just human nature. I don't fret over these things anymore. Call it the brave new wine board Lyle. So I'm not going to even bother to defend my own opinions. I've tasted X amount of '08 Beaujolais. More have not been good rather than good. There seems to be a lightness to them I don't find appealing, plus many show alcohol, grit in the middle and the end, and don't seem to have the balance I look for in Beaujolais and wine in general.

There is really not much to taste in Beaujolais to asess a vintage anyway as most people nuke their vineyards and then when the wine is limping around blindly, they finish it off with a sawed-off shotgun to the face in the cellar. There is what, 20 guys that we all give a shit about? Am I being too kind? Producer is important, I agree, but sometimes vintage character does dominate. 2003 Beaujolais is a great example. And for me, I think 2008 is similar in that there is a vintage stamp to the wines.

 

[Kevin Roberts]

originally posted by Cory Cartwright:

originally posted by Kevin Roberts:

originally posted by lars makie:

originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
What is the advantage of being the Fox news of wine blogging?

I always think of it more akin to Yo! MTV Raps. But without Dr. Dre.

If my very shady adolescent memory serves me right, that Dre was no Dr.

Does that make Lyle the Ed Lover of wine?

Cheers,

Kevin

He was Dr. as well as the other Dr. Dre

It is amazing how specific memories are sometimes totally wrong. My bad...

Cheers,

Kevin

 

[Cory Cartwright]

Yvon Metras made the best 2008 I've tasted so far. The rest has been uneven and mostly not exciting. Releasing the '08 Foillards was a bad move on the importers fault but the wines weren't that exciting even when they were released on time.

 

[Lyle Fass]

originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
Yvon Metras made the best 2008 I've tasted so far. The rest has been uneven and mostly not exciting. Releasing the '08 Foillards was a bad move on the importers fault but the wines weren't that exciting even when they were released on time.

I visited Metras in 2008 and was very impressed. Tasted a lot of wine. Maybe I'll dig out those notes.

 

[Cliff]

originally posted by VLM:

Desvignes, Coudert, and the like are made with a traditional elevage. Given their terroir this gives them the structure to age very well in good vinatges.

The semi-carbonic, low-sulfur crowd trades a certain sensuality for the complexity that comes with age.

I like both for different reasons.

Do I not recall from the latest SFJoe Report that Desvignes uses a semi-carbonic vinification, albeit different in other respects from the Gang?

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Cliff:

originally posted by VLM:

Desvignes, Coudert, and the like are made with a traditional elevage. Given their terroir this gives them the structure to age very well in good vinatges.

The semi-carbonic, low-sulfur crowd trades a certain sensuality for the complexity that comes with age.

I like both for different reasons.

Do I not recall from the latest SFJoe Report that Desvignes uses a semi-carbonic vinification, albeit different in other respects from the Gang?

That would be unwelcome news.

 

[Florida Jim]

A quick search for Metras on Winesearcher reveals that Crush (in NYC) has the 2007 Beaujolais for $30 and the cus for $40+.
They may be wonderful but that is being just a bit too proud.
Best, Jim

 

[Steven Spielmann]

Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

 

[Yule Kim]

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Didn't Crush buy their Metras off the gray market? Isn't that the cause for the high prices?

 

[Lyle Fass]

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:


Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Bingo. Metras is out there to be bought grey from Europe, but charging $40+ is hard to wrap your head around. They have enough of a great e-mail list that they had no problem selling most of what they got at any price. The price is just a reflection of their cost and no gouging at all.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Well, I'm not about to contradict David, but that's not the way I remember it and not how it is described on the LDM website.

Perhaps it is a recent change?

Personally, I prefer something akin to a traditional Burgundian elevage.

 

[Lyle Fass]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Well, I'm not about to contradict David, but that's not the way I remember it and not how it is described on the LDM website.

Perhaps it is a recent change?

Personally, I prefer something akin to a traditional Burgundian elevage.

As do I. Desvignes is classic Morgon to me. They age very well. Had a 1990 Javernieres and 1993 CDP when I tasted there and they were wonderful, and at peak. My '05's are off-site but I am dying to check in on them.

And contradicting David was a sport of mine when I was there.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Florida Jim:
A quick search for Metras on Winesearcher reveals that Crush (in NYC) has the 2007 Beaujolais for $30 and the cus for $40+.
They may be wonderful but that is being just a bit too proud.
Best, Jim

crush shows foillard fleurie for $47. very proud, you could say.

 

[Steven Spielmann]

Dressner's website suggests something, though I don't know if this is a switch to 'semi-carbonic': "The wine is vinified by the traditional cru Beaujolais method with a grille to keep the cap submerged. Recently, the fermentation has been longer and more controlled than in the past in order to extract the color and material that are the most obvious virtues of this wine."

Since this thread is titled "Kermit Lynch" I'll go out on a limb and say that I am enjoying Gary Vaynerchuk's interview with him.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Lyle Fass:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Well, I'm not about to contradict David, but that's not the way I remember it and not how it is described on the LDM website.

Perhaps it is a recent change?

Personally, I prefer something akin to a traditional Burgundian elevage.

As do I. Desvignes is classic Morgon to me. They age very well. Had a 1990 Javernieres and 1993 CDP when I tasted there and they were wonderful, and at peak. My '05's are off-site but I am dying to check in on them.

And contradicting David was a sport of mine when I was there.

I'd hang back on the 2005. I also had 2005 Coudert Tardive out of magnum over the weekend and it was still tight.

I've heard things about the regular opening up.

 

[Lyle Fass]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Lyle Fass:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Chambers Street says: "The Desvignes make beautiful age-worthy Morgon in a semi-carbonic style. Sometimes quite austere when young, the 2007 seems slightly more forward than usual but still with the requisite acidity and tannin to age 10 to 15 years. Serve cool, decant or open the night before if drinking now."

Crush I believe is the only retailer in the country with the Metras so that may be monopoly pricing. Although it may also reflect their costs in importing a small amount just for their store.

Well, I'm not about to contradict David, but that's not the way I remember it and not how it is described on the LDM website.

Perhaps it is a recent change?

Personally, I prefer something akin to a traditional Burgundian elevage.

As do I. Desvignes is classic Morgon to me. They age very well. Had a 1990 Javernieres and 1993 CDP when I tasted there and they were wonderful, and at peak. My '05's are off-site but I am dying to check in on them.

And contradicting David was a sport of mine when I was there.

I'd hang back on the 2005. I also had 2005 Coudert Tardive out of magnum over the weekend and it was still tight.

I've heard things about the regular opening up.

Good to know as all I have is Tardive in 2005. The 2005 Domaine Savoye Morgon CDP I drank with Mr. Reiner recently was maturing nicely and improved the whole meal. Granted, not as serious as other Morgon producers, I have always had a soft spot for Domaine Savoye.

 

[Nicolas Mestre]

I just opened a bottle of Foillard 2008 Morgon CdP and a bottle of this Valpane Barbera del Monfersomething.

The Foillard is delicious.

The Valpane I poured down the drain.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
I just opened a bottle of Foillard 2008 Morgon CdP and a bottle of this Valpane Barbera del Monfersomething.

The Foillard is delicious.

The Valpane I poured down the drain.

We had 2 delicious bottles of Foillard Sunday evening as well. Not profound, but good accompaniment to conversation.