06 Pinon petillant debate wine

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Went screaming through McCarthy last night in search of the right debate wine - and left with this.

As much as I like past vintages, this for me was a cut above those. Starting to step up into the higher reaches with better complexity, a really nice blend of dough and chenin. Quite pure. Our host let the cork pop and so it lost a lot of its fiz, and so it was barely petillant - and just dandy.

Oh yeah - and about the greatest retro-cool label ever.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
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Nice, I guess it was the only such item on hand with that quality.

Not that I don't love politics and certain (Obama-esque) politicians. But the debate is a process of communication and manipulation, nothing wrong with that. Like choosing when and how to pick grapes for fermentation, it all requires spin.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
Authenticity.
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Nice, I guess it was the only such item on hand with that quality.

Not that I don't love politics and certain (Obama-esque) politicians. But the debate is a process of communication and manipulation, nothing wrong with that. Like choosing when and how to pick grapes for fermentation, it all requires spin.
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Personally, I was quite peeved with the various commentators likened it to a boxing match ("won on points," "delivered a few good blows," "jabbed effectively," "counterpunched"). As a former debater, I can say authoritatively that there should be no pugilistic aspect to the activity whatsoever, unless you happen to have LL Cool J on the iPod.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

Nice, I guess it was the only such item on hand with that quality.

Not that I don't love politics and certain (Obama-esque) politicians. But the debate is a process of communication and manipulation, nothing wrong with that. Like choosing when and how to pick grapes for fermentation, it all requires spin.
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Personally, I was quite peeved with the various commentators who likened it to a boxing match ("won on points," "delivered a few good blows," "jabbed effectively," "counterpunched"). As a former debater, I can say authoritatively that there should be no pugilistic aspect to the activity whatsoever, unless you happen to have LL Cool J on the iPod.

p.s. Was that Pinon vintage dated? I thought that his next NV Petillant was going to be from mostly '05 fruit.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

Nice, I guess it was the only such item on hand with that quality.

Not that I don't love politics and certain (Obama-esque) politicians. But the debate is a process of communication and manipulation, nothing wrong with that. Like choosing when and how to pick grapes for fermentation, it all requires spin.
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Personally, I was quite peeved with the various commentators who likened it to a boxing match ("won on points," "delivered a few good blows," "jabbed effectively," "counterpunched"). As a former debater, I can say authoritatively that there should be no pugilistic aspect to the activity whatsoever, unless you happen to have LL Cool J on the iPod.

p.s. Was that Pinon vintage dated? I thought that his next NV Petillant was going to be from mostly '05 fruit.

Mark Lipton
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It was the new dated non dose. Really not to be missed. Superb.
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Personally, I was quite peeved with the various commentators who likened it to a boxing match ("won on points," "delivered a few good blows," "jabbed effectively," "counterpunched"). As a former debater, I can say authoritatively that there should be no pugilistic aspect to the activity whatsoever..
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Perhaps no pugilism, but this wasn't even a real 'debate' in the sense that you were engaged in the activity. The goal here was not to present better arguments but to appeal to specific voters with messages, themes, and images that were not part of the substantive issues.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

Perhaps no pugilism, but this wasn't even a real 'debate' in the sense that you were engaged in the activity. The goal here was not to present better arguments but to appeal to specific voters with messages, themes, and images that were not part of the substantive issues.
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No, of course there wasn't. That's been true of every Presidential debate IMO since Reagan vs. Mondale in '84. The lesson's been learned that the public cares less about Aristotelian logic and more about sound bites. You stick to your talking points and do your best to propose nothing whatsoever in the most eloquent way possible.

Having said that, though, the entertainment value for a political junkie like myself is to watch for the occasional gaffe or unscripted aside that, often as not, is what governs the public perception of the "debate."

There you go again!
Mark Lipton
 
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