Some tastes

originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
shitMonpertuis is on the list. Say it ain't so?
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Never been fond of them. Very modern at least through the last decade.
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Last vintage I tasted was 2004. Didn't seem to modern for me. Earthy, rustic, moderate alcohol, not dark as night, solid structure. How long has be been there?

Does Mr. Cambie eat the grapes himself to lower yields?
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He does rather look like some sort of parody of a hollywood spoofulation villain, doesn't he?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
shitMonpertuis is on the list. Say it ain't so?
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Never been fond of them. Very modern at least through the last decade.
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Many years ago I served Dressner a glass of 1999 montprertuis cdr. Let's just say that it turned into a long evening. Somehow the buyers didn't notice the microspots of wine here and there.
 
Since lists like this sometimes disappear from the Internet or go behind pay walls:

Le Clos du Caillou
Tardieu-Laurent (negociant)
Clos Saint Jean
Domaine Saint Prefert
Domaine Monpertuis
Domaine Aphillanthes (Cairanne)
Domaine Barville
Chateau de Vaudieu
Feraud-Brunel
Jean Royer
Domaine Giraud
Le Vieux Donjon
Domaine de Villeneuve
Les Caillou
Domaine Font Croze (Rasteau)
Domaine la Garrigue (Vacqueyras/Gigondas)
Domaine Boisson (Cairanne)
Domaine Bosquet des Papes
Domaine des Escaravailles ( Rasteau)
Domaine Patrice Magni
Domaine Grand Nicolet (Rasteau)
Domaine de Saint-Paul
Domaine du Grand Tinel
Domaine Saint Damien (Gigondas)
Domaine des Senechaux
Domaine des Coteaux de Travers (Rasteau)
Domaine de la Colliere (Rasteau)
Domaine des Bosquets (Gigondas)
Domaine de l'Oratoire Saint Martin (Cairanne)
Clos du Mont Olivet
Chateau de la Font du Loup
Domaine Olivier Hillaire
Domaine le Pont du Rieu (Vacqueyras)
Domaine de Bramadou (Roaix)
Domaine Constant-Duqousnoy (Vinsobres)
Domaine de la Ferme St. Martin (Beaumes de Venise)
Domaine les Haut des Terres Blanches (from 2008)
Domaine Duseigneur (Saint Laurent des Arbres)
Domaine Jean David (Seguret)
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Chateau de Nages (Costires de Nmes)
Chateau Puech Haut (Languedoc)
Chateau Castigno (Saint Chinian)
Domaine de l'Elefant (Rousillon)
Domaine du Garde Temps (Cote de Provence)
Chateau Paradis (Coteaux d'Aix)

Bodegas Mas Alta (Priorat)
Celler Capcanes (Montsant)
 
Harry Karis adds les Cailloux to this list. I have either heard or read somewhere that he at leasts talks to Pegau, though I don't think he does much more than that there.
 
So, last night, at an unwineconscious family dinner, I opened that magnum of 2003 Clos des Papes and it was flabby and disjointed. Ptui.
 
Wow,
I like bosquet des papes and donjon quite a bit. Suprised to see them with a spoof villain's name attached. I always thought of them as rather on the traditional side...
 
Vieux Donjon hasn't gotten bad (Jonathan may agree), it's just not quite what it was. I've had little modern Bosquet des Papes, maybe one taste each year, so can't really say what's happened.
 
Is there anything people consider at its peak right now in the S Rhone, so that when 20 years from now people say "Its just not quite what it was" they'll be referring to right now?
 
I think Vieux Donjon tends to be much readier to drink younger than it used to be, maybe a little riper. Since Cambie has only been at work there since I think 03, it's early to say what the long term effects will be. But that is a wine where one can mark the change, though I don't think it's gone spoofy.

I think, with Bosquet, he only works on one or the other of their special cuvees. I haven't had anything of theirs more recent than 05, but the standard cuvee still seems to be what it is.

A lot of places on that list do not have the style one connects with Cambie as a result of Clos St. Jean, Hillaire and Ferrando's two places, so it's clear he can in cases consult without changing style radically.
 
I think I have a magnum each of the Clos des Papes '98 and '99, though....
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Had the 98 (from 750ml) last night:
Chateauneuf-du-Pape 1998 Clos des Papes - somewhat funky old school nose with medium strength brett, dried provencale herbs, woodsy notes; maturing fruit, dried apricot-plum flavor, some density, medium weight, dry somewhat grippy woodsy tannins in finish. Not very charming at first, better with air and food (ribs with grilled polenta and leeks). ***(*)
 
Thanks! Once the weather cools a bit, I think we'll have a barbecue and open one of these for the crowd. Jim spoke highly of the '99 recently.
 
I have a bunch of the Clos de Papes '90 and have been just leaving them in the cellar. I'm confident they will make great old bones but I'm receptive to contrary opinion(s).

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Brian C:
Is there anything people consider at its peak right now in the S Rhone, so that when 20 years from now people say "Its just not quite what it was" they'll be referring to right now?
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Paul Autard?
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Brian C:
Is there anything people consider at its peak right now in the S Rhone, so that when 20 years from now people say "Its just not quite what it was" they'll be referring to right now?
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Paul Autard?
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Almost anything from 89 and 90 and earlier. Some of them are drinking beautifully now, but I wouldn't bet on what they will be like at age 40. If I had Clos des Papes from 90, I 'd certainly at least be drinking a bottle or two now.
 
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