Poll: Which region in France makes the best village-level wine?

I dunno, we need Loesberg to sort out our terms. But if we count all the awful fizzy Vouvray, we drag the Village down to where the good stuff doesn't count, right?
 
I want to put in a vote for Charnay. Between JP Brun and Eric Texier, there is some pretty good wine made in that village.
 
In order to make the original question work, I think you have to start with the phrase "village wine," when it is used in the context of "value wine." It doesn't mean a wine from any old village. It usually means a village burgundy as opposed to one with a vineyard designation. If one compares that to Chateauneuf or Hermitage, obviously, wines with the AOC designation of Chateauneuf or Hermitage aren't the equivalent of village burgundies first because neither AOC has hierarchized vineyard designations and second, in each case, those village designations are the highest AOC level they can reach. A village wine from those areas might be either a CdR villages or a CdR allowed to have a village designation in the title (Cairanne, or Brezeme or whatever). Maybe in Bordeaux, the appropriate analogy would be between cru bourgeois and ranked crus. I don't know what the analogy would be in other places, especially places where the undervaluing of the wines from the area means that all wines from that area are underpriced. But these are the problems that entail that "flawed poll" is redundant and one either needs to take polls as they come or leave them alone.
 
My 2 cents: Ignoring the semantics and the idea of flawed polls,
I give my votes for these in the top 3: Collioure, Irouleguy, Bandol.
 
Okay, so village isn't a perfect term. What term would work for grapes from a village-size area as opposed to a single vineyard?
 
I dunno, we need Loesberg to sort out our terms. But if we count all the awful fizzy Vouvray, we drag the Village down to where the good stuff doesn't count, right?
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Only if you're committed to averaging out the entire output of the village. Why not just ignore the crap?
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I dunno, we need Loesberg to sort out our terms. But if we count all the awful fizzy Vouvray, we drag the Village down to where the good stuff doesn't count, right?
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Only if you're committed to averaging out the entire output of the village. Why not just ignore the crap?
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I usually do. But it's not my poll.
 
It must come down to interpretation, as I see nothing in the poll about averaging out the entire production of a village. It merely asks which region makes the best wines. I don't see disqualifying the best ones because some crappy ones are also made.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
Okay, so village isn't a perfect term. What term would work for grapes from a village-size area as opposed to a single vineyard?
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You need to think more about what information you want. The posts are telling you that "village" isn't a good category, being a variable designation as to quality, price and AOC specification. If you can figure out the category you are looking for (wines from more than one vineyard but still village specific; wines made by negotiants from different vineyards; wines with AOC specification one down from the top possible one in the hierarchy; wines that don't cost an arm and a leg)maybe everybody will better understand and then just buke you for being curious about that category because of whatever reason the given poster disapproves of it.
 
I love a re-definition effort. If I weren't channeling Da Monk, I would say that Steve is asking: Which places in the world produce the best-and-largest volume of wine?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by SteveTimko:
Okay, so village isn't a perfect term. What term would work for grapes from a village-size area as opposed to a single vineyard?
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You need to think more about what information you want. The posts are telling you that "village" isn't a good category, being a variable designation as to quality, price and AOC specification. If you can figure out the category you are looking for (wines from more than one vineyard but still village specific; wines made by negotiants from different vineyards; wines with AOC specification one down from the top possible one in the hierarchy; wines that don't cost an arm and a leg)maybe everybody will better understand and then just buke you for being curious about that category because of whatever reason the given poster disapproves of it.
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What if I were to ask "What location is the epicenter of the viticultural universe?" Would that be a poll, or a troll, or a trick question, or simple curiosity? (And I'm still feeling the ground shake from seeing "hierarchized" in use by our resident linguistic arbiter.)
 
I thought I was the resident theorist. It's practically a requirement of theorists to invent words. I will happily return to English if you can give me a better verb (I don't think "rank" really does it).
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I thought I was the resident theorist. It's practically a requirement of theorists to invent words. I will happily return to English if you can give me a better verb (I don't think "rank" really does it).
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Well, of course, that too. And I do see the tension between the two positions. Sorry, I don't mean to discourage you.
 
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"WHAT?? A Poal?!? They want a fucking poal? What on earth do the deluded fuckers think this is? A fucking democracy????"

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