Wines I drank

Rahsaan

Rahsaan
2002 Huet Vouvray Ptillant Brut
Not as golden succulent delicious as a bottle from two months ago but still a pretty darn elegant and tasty toasty yet briskish golden chenin dose for starting an evening.

The 2006 Huet Vouvray Le Mont Sec was much more of a crowd pleaser than the 2007 Huet Vouvray Le Mont Sec. I wouldnt choose between the two, because Ill always enjoy both. If one had to distinguish, the 07 was more austere and linear although so effortlessly classy and crystalline. The 06 was also pretty classy but in a friendlier rounder and more giving manner. Different meals, thats all.

More Loire triumphs came when the 2007 Luneau-Papin Muscadet Le L DOr wiped the tabletop with the 2007 Christian Moreau Chablis Vaillons. It wasnt even close. The L DOr was so vibrant expressive effusive and delectable. It made every oyster and every bite of lobster that much more delicious. The Moreau was plodding and dull and may have needed a different venue.

2007 Maximin Grnhuser Abtsberg Superior
Such a strange interpretation of Ruwer riesling. At least to me. The verdant shade cooling aspects remind me of what I know. As do the tingling minerals underneath. But wrap that around a big dull-ly golden structure that doesnt really sing together and it comes across as awkward. Consistent with a bottle from last year.

The 1998 Jadot Chambolle Musigny Les Amoureuses was dark and flavorful but not as silky suave as a bottle from last fall. It seemed harder and sterner, even with extended airing. Not sure what that means for my last bottle, but I guess Ill probably wait a while to drink it.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

More Loire triumphs came when the 2007 Luneau-Papin Muscadet Le L DOr wiped the tabletop with the 2007 Christian Moreau Chablis Vaillons. It wasnt even close. The L DOr was so vibrant expressive effusive and delectable. It made every oyster and every bite of lobster that much more delicious. The Moreau was plodding and dull and may have needed a different venue.

Not worse, just needed a different venue.

Everyone gets a gold star.

You aren't Gen-Y are you?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

More Loire triumphs came when the 2007 Luneau-Papin Muscadet Le L DOr wiped the tabletop with the 2007 Christian Moreau Chablis Vaillons. It wasnt even close. The L DOr was so vibrant expressive effusive and delectable. It made every oyster and every bite of lobster that much more delicious. The Moreau was plodding and dull and may have needed a different venue.

Not worse, just needed a different venue.

Everyone gets a gold star.

You aren't Gen-Y are you?

I think the idea that it "wiped the tabletop" captured the essence of the matter (at least by my reading)...BTW, I wholeheartedly agree...
 
originally posted by drssouth:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

More Loire triumphs came when the 2007 Luneau-Papin Muscadet Le L DOr wiped the tabletop with the 2007 Christian Moreau Chablis Vaillons. It wasnt even close. The L DOr was so vibrant expressive effusive and delectable. It made every oyster and every bite of lobster that much more delicious. The Moreau was plodding and dull and may have needed a different venue.

Not worse, just needed a different venue.

Everyone gets a gold star.

You aren't Gen-Y are you?

I think the idea that it "wiped the tabletop" captured the essence of the matter (at least by my reading)...BTW, I wholeheartedly agree...

Absolutely. Qualitative judgments are unavoidable and important. I'm more interested in trying to tie them into some sort of truth value than just giving everyone a B+, but then again, I didn't go to an Ivy League school.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Absolutely. Qualitative judgments are unavoidable and important.

Oh I wasn't afraid to say that the Luneau Papin showed better than the Moreau. And I wasn't giving the Moreau a gold star.

But, the Moreau wasn't terrible, just boring. And admittedly we didn't give it lots of air. So I was not going to make a presumptuous claim based on that one showing and definitively state that the Moreau sucked. So I left open the possibility that it might need a different venue and wondered what people with more experience might have to say.

I guess they have spoken!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM:
Absolutely. Qualitative judgments are unavoidable and important.

Oh I wasn't afraid to say that the Luneau Papin showed better than the Moreau. And I wasn't giving the Moreau a gold star.

But, the Moreau wasn't terrible, just boring. And admittedly we didn't give it lots of air. So I was not going to make a presumptuous claim based on that one showing and definitively state that the Moreau sucked. So I left open the possibility that it might need a different venue and wondered what people with more experience might have to say.

I guess they have spoken!

You don't have to say that the Moreau sucked. Just say that the Luneau-Papin is the better wine. You are trying so hard to dance around something that you so obviously think.
 
originally posted by VLM: You don't have to say that the Moreau sucked. Just say that the Luneau-Papin is the better wine. You are trying so hard to dance around something that you so obviously think.

At the risk of prolonging this too much and appearing too modest, I really only feel qualified to say that the Luneau-Papin showed better on that evening.

I'm no expert on Moreau but I understand that they make 'real wines' (i.e. this was not Yellowtail in the comparison) and I would want to taste more before making such a definitive pronouncement.

That said, clearly I wouldn't be surprised if the Luneau-Papin showed better in the future and I know where I will be spending my money.

But yes I am trying to avoid being one of those Wine Internet Jackasses who knows a bit about wine and then starts throwing around Grand Pronouncements based on snapshots. You probably have more tasting experience than I do to make some slightly more grand pronouncements.
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
I do not get Grunhaus Trockens. Never the WOTN for me and not chiseled.

I agree. I once met the German Ambassador to the US and he rattled on about how Grnhaus Abtsberg Sptlese Trocken was the best German riesling. I bought a smattering of the trocken wines in Germany to see if he would be vindicated but so far the bottles have always disappointed.

That said, I have enjoyed some of the basic QbAs that function more-or-less as trocken (although the QbA Trockens have been a bit too fierce for my tastes).
 
The ambassador meant that Grunhaus Abstberg Spatlese was the best German Riesling, but the German "trocken reflex" kicked in to spoil his wisdom.
 
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