TN: Tuesday night with Oliver and Wolfgang

Early April dinner at my parents place, all wines served non-blind.

Bruno Giacosa Barbaresco Riserva Santo Stefano di Neive 1998
Thanks to Oliver. Garnet ruby-black, amber rim. Truffley nose, brown spice, touches of soy/Hoisin sauce, ginger and anise. Burgundian meat-juicy morello. Round, quite smooth and very long. Nice medium black tea-like tannin, ever so faintly drier than ideal, soft blood orangey acidity. Pretty wine, possibly the most ageworthy of his 1998 portfolio, but in terms of depth, one of the least attractive, that is, expressive red/maroon label (= Riserva) Giacosas I have ever had: I may in fact prefer the more primary and exotic white-label Rabaj in this vintage, and of all of Giacosas Santo Stefano Riservas I have had, the 1998 may be superior, if at all, only to the 1988, but certainly not the best (e.g. 1990, 1989 and, still my reference for this site, the 1978 Speciale). Having said that, Giacosa Riserva is inevitably a highlight to me. Rating: 92

Ponsot Clos de la Roche Vieilles Vignes 1997
Underestimated this wines long-term potential at release, assuming it would be drinkable relatively soon. Medium-light ruby-black, amber touch. Most impressive tree bark intensity on the nose. Very if not extremely long on the palate with rusty iron, forest floor earth and undergrowth, firm raspberry, orange and mace fruit, increasingly racier and more complex with airing, of which it currently needs (deserves!) plenty: easily four to five hours! Curiously lactic at first, livelier and more precise with airing. Noble tobacco leaf. Sandy/beachy minerality. Soft if quite deep tannin. Creamier with airing, as well as more serious. As Wolfgang concluded, this should profit from ten more years in the cellar. Rating: 93+/94(+?)

Domaine du Pgau Chteauneuf-du-Pape Cuve Da Capo 2007
Thanks to Wolfgang. From 80-year-old vines, 90% Grenache, with the rest all of the other twelve permitted grape varieties, according to Raymond Silvani a single parcel wine of La Crau old vines adjacent to Henri Bonneau's. Opaque plummy ruby. Exceptional depth on the nose. Roasted Provenal herbs, tobacco, smoky-pebbly minerality, spiced dried black olive but that does not fully explain the superlative complexity that is partly a function of the wines combination of intensity, ripeness, freshness and liveliness. Sweet yet tannic. Like candy, my dad said. Great concentration, nicely thick and mouth-coating. Truly exceptional dried lavender tannin quality. Terrific balance, with the 15.8% alcohol as well-integrated as one could wish. Very, if not extremely long on the fruity, thick and rich, lightly syrupy (in the best possible way) Kirsch Schnaps finish. Wolfgang and I were musing about (mentally comparing) the four Da Capo vintages produced thus far, and came to the conclusion that, although they are all great, the 1998 remains the most powerful and tannic, a wine that may outlive the others and ultimately prove the greatest of all, but it seems to us the 2007 is the most harmonious and beautiful so far (more so even than the 2000 and 2003 at the same stage), and by far the most refreshing and lively. I can hardly express how impressed we were, and at the same time, how much we enjoyed it a wine to satisfy body and soul. It started to close down after two and a half hours worth of airing, no wonder as it is a youthfully primary, well-structured and very ageworthy wine, but then, it is drop-dead gorgeous right now, and I would not hesitate to open a bottle before it enters a dumb phase. Rating: 97+/98(+?)

Fonseca Guimaraens Vintage Port 1976
Had promised Wolfgang to open another bottle, unfortunately, this one was a tiny bit volatile (in this particular case giving the wine a touch of as-if saltiness) as well, if clearly superior to one in September last year (fact is, bottles bought many years ago and stored here in Switzerland are rarely or never volatile, whereas almost a third of the ones imported from Portugal a few years ago by the general importer are a huge pity given this is/can be a wine of legendary proportions). Opaque lightly pruney ruby-black, incredibly deep colour as always cannot repeat this enough, but this looks, smells and tastes like Recioto made from Port grapes. Tiny coffee torrefaction top note only this time (a drought year if there ever was one). Prune jam, dried fruit such as date and fig, sweet and Recioto-like yet tannic, roasted coffee beans, dark chocolate. Terrific concentration and mouthfeel, yet reasonably light on its feet. Very long. Rating: 96(+?) (this bottle, pristine ones can be near perfection)

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
originally posted by MarkS:
Domaine du Pgau Chteauneuf-du-Pape Cuve Da Capo 2007
...the 15.8% alcohol...

Dang! That was a ripe year!

Thus far, only the 2003 at 16.1% (the 1998 boasts 16.3%, the 2000 "only" 15.8% same as the 2007) smells/tastes subjectively hot. Unfortunately (at least from my perspective), many high-end CdPs today boast alcohol contents at least that high. Fortunately, especially some of the very traditionally-styled bottlings (such as Bonneau's) can cope with it with surprising ease.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
Always found Ponsot's '97 range to be hollow and a bit thin; I'll have to persuade my friend to open a few bottles.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Always found Ponsot's '97 range to be hollow and a bit thin; I'll have to persuade my friend to open a few bottles.

Was under the same impression especially early on, and to some extent, this was again how this (and other 1997 Ponsot Grand Crus recently) behaved immediately after the cork was pulled - the point, you see, I was trying to make was not to rush, but that it may be worth waiting. I am certainly going to.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
Where was this Ponsot sourced?

The most recent bottle I tasted was not so delightful. Smelled like a garbage truck.

Maybe something happened to it on its way to the US?
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
Where was this Ponsot sourced?

The most recent bottle I tasted was not so delightful. Smelled like a garbage truck.

Maybe something happened to it on its way to the US?

I remember Ponsot claimed exactly this to be the case (for bottles shipped to the U.S.), and since then puts those heatstrips/thermofilms on his bottles. Bought mine here in Switzerland directly from the importer (on subscription, in fact).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
I've had that ponsot a couple of times - once with jadot and de vogue musigny, also 97, and I preferred the ponsot to the two musignys, although this may have been attributable to where they were in their development.

next time I had it (same source) it seemed to have closed down.

I confess - I didn't buy a single bottle of 97 burgundy. Guess that tells you what I think of rovani's burg palate.
 
originally posted by maureen:
I've had that ponsot a couple of times - once with jadot and de vogue musigny, also 97, and I preferred the ponsot to the two musignys, although this may have been attributable to where they were in their development.

next time I had it (same source) it seemed to have closed down.

I confess - I didn't buy a single bottle of 97 burgundy. Guess that tells you what I think of rovani's burg palate.

Meaning Rovani raved about the 1997 vintage? I'm surprised (= wasn't aware). No one in Europe did, although some were impressed with certain above-average stats/analysis. Also, I wasn't aware the Parker guild writes about Ponsot - I'd heard they boycott him?

I have to admit that to some extent, all Burgundy vintages are the same to me: I go to the two or three relevant arrivage tastings each year (sometimes post notes), and decide from there. There's almost always something worth having. Usually even something truly worth having: in 1997, in hindsight, I should really have trusted my instincts and bought more Jadot Clos Saint-Jacques and Clos de Bze. Also, I have yet to have a disappointing bottle from the Dugat-Py portfolio (of which one couldn't buy more - it was allocated to customers in mixed cases, at least here in Switzerland). The top Hubert Lignier crus are wonderful, and I also like Fourrier's and Emmanuel Rouget's 1997s (incidentally the last vintage vinified by uncle Henri Jayer), although the latter two producers' wines are very ripe indeed (luckily still short of bland). But: that's Pinot Noir, too.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
David:

When you taste Burgundies young at the arrivage events, how do you judge which wines ones you want to own? The young wines do not taste like the mature ones, do they?

Thanks.

Ian
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
David:

When you taste Burgundies young at the arrivage events, how do you judge which wines ones you want to own? The young wines do not taste like the mature ones, do they?

Thanks.

Ian

Of course not. Judging a wine's potential is a matter of experience. I've been doing this for more than thirty years. Plus I'm stubborn in that I won't let anyone else tell me what I'm supposed to like.

Personally, I believe I've managed to retain at least a reasonable amount of curiosity. And I've always been good at judging quality fairly, and not mix that aspect up with personal (stylistic) preferences (so far as this is possible). Needless to say, when it comes to buying for myself, I'll go strictly with the latter, or a combination of both factors.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
Rovani did indeed rave up the 97 vintage, which I found for the most part unbalanced and short-lived. Jadot is a notable exception - made great wines. There may be others as well but I don't usually have the option of tasting before buying at a decent price - and when 97s were being offered, it was too easy to backfill 96s and even 93s and 88s and so I was spending my burgundy dollars there.

I think it's Faiveley that Parker feuded with, not ponsot. Or rather, I know he feuded with Faiveley, unaware about Ponsot.
 
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