CWD: A Jeebus for Steve Edmunds

Salil Benegal

Salil Benegal
With Steve Edmunds in the area, Tse Wei hosted a bunch of us at his home in Cambridge for dinner. Very fun evening with some old friends and new WIWPs I hadn't met before. An excess of wine, there were a good number I didn't end up taking notes on and a handful I didn't even get around to tasting - hopefully others who were at the dinner can fill in notes where I've missed out (Thor?). Thanks to all for a great evening with some really fun wines, and to Tse Wei for hosting us and putting an amazing spread of food together.

1989 J. Lassalle Champagne Brut 1er Cru Blanc de Blancs
From magnum, but feels a bit tired and over the hill with the flavours lacking precision and freshness - there's a baked quality to the apple/peach flavours here, with faintly oxidative notes on the back end and this finishes a little short.

2007 Azienda Agricola Durin Pigato Riviera Ligure di Ponente
Fresh pear and citrus fruit and herbs over a bed of minerals; very light, streamlined and polished with bright acids and a sense of precision, lovely.

2008 Anthill Farms Pinot Gris Forchini Vineyard
Salmon-orange in colour, apparently this spent time on the skins though it comes across more like a rose. Rich peach and berried flavours with savoury earthy notes, there's an interesting sweetcorn-like note that comes out on the back end and an underlying smoky character that gets more prevalent with some air, though I'm not sure whether that's from the winemaking or the smoke-taint. Certainly unusual and quite pleasant.

2001 Edmunds St. John Los Robles Viejos Rozet Vineyard
The white; Steve says this is about 50% Viognier with the rest Marsanne and Roussanne, about 25% each. Drinking really nicely now with some mature nutty, wooly and oily notes around a core of rich white fruits and floral elements, round and expansive in the mouth without feeling soft/flabby, very enjoyable.

2004 Dard et Ribo St. Joseph
Surprisingly developed given that it's an '04; great aromatics with dark fruits and earth accented by peppery and developed leathery/meaty notes; lovely combination of youthful fruit and mature flavours in the mouth with an elegant, finessed mouthfeel. Delicious stuff, my first experience with D&R and I'll have to hunt down some in the future.

2005 Herve Souhaut St. Joseph Sainte Epine
Full of brett with a nose full of barnyard funk, iodine, leather and some red fruits beneath - in the mouth it's rich and supple with a polished texture, but the brett's so dominant here it overwhelms every other aspect of the wine and makes it a bit hard to enjoy.

2005 Jean-Louis Chave St. Joseph
Dense and richly fruited with touches of wood and herbal notes, didn't make much of an impression when served blind or when I revisited.

2006 Stphane Othguy St. Joseph
Gorgeous aromatics, full of dark fruit, savoury earth and pepper accented with lavender and violet elements; rich and layered in the mouth with lots of depth, elegance and bright acidity giving the flavours a sense of freshness and precision. Need to look out for more from this producer.

2001 Edmunds St. John Syrah Wylie-Fenaughty
Served blind, not many people picked this out alongside the other St. Josephs. Rich and savoury with plum and black olive flavours with smoky accents, though in the company this didn't stand out that much and didn't make the impression it did last week at the ESJ-fest.

1999 Eric Texier Hermitage
Corked. Damnit.

1990 Domaine du Pga Chteauneuf-du-Pape Cuve Rserve
Fantastic stuff, starting out with an amazing aromatic profile that combines all sorts of developed leathery, earthy and herbal elements with mature red fruits; silken-textured in the mouth with tannins fully resolved and a sense of great balance and elegance.

1999 Chteau Rayas Ctes du Rhne Chteau de Fonsalette Cuve Syrah
Spicy aromatics with intense pepper and mustard scents (Matteo says 'whole grain mustard') leading into a palate full of deep Syrah fruit with firm tannins and bright acids; nicely balanced and enjoyable though this gives the impression of being very, very young.

1998 Best's Shiraz Bin O Great Western
Really good stuff; rich and intense with plummy fruit, dark chocolate, leather and minty notes combining together seamlessly. With some air the flavours brighten and the aromatics gain a sweet cookie dough-like element, though this stays very well balanced throughout, showing a sense of polish and grace that I find too rarely among other Aussie Shiraz.

2002 Hut Vouvray Ptillant Brut
Lovely; subtle and understated with gentle apple and yellow fruits, faintly nutty and yeasty with richness and a sense of real lightness and elegance.

N.V. Franois Pinon Vouvray Brut
Young. Very very young. Lots suggesting that this will be awesome with time, but right now it's painfully young and not as gentle and easy to drink/enjoy as the Huet.

2006 Zilliken (Forstmeister Geltz) Saarburger Rausch Riesling Sptlese
From magnum; bargain Beerenauslese here, packed with ripe mango, pineapple and other tropical fruit flavours mingled with honey, spices and other botrytis elements. Very rich and round though a little soft; more acidity would be very welcome here to keep this tasting more like Riesling rather than something bordering on tropical fruit juice.

1997 Joh. Jos. Christoffel Erben Erdener Treppchen Riesling Auslese 2-star
Wonderful, seamlessly combining bright Mosel fruit, slate, floral and honeyed touches and developed smoky and petrol flavour elements on a frame that's very rich though nicely balanced and quite precise with surprising acidity. Finishes very long, and there's lots here suggesting this has plenty of time ahead of it still.
 
Salil, great to hang out a bit and thanks for bringing that nice magnum for everyone.

Couple things that were also present:

Les Cretes, Coteau la Tour (2005, 100% syrah) was also present. I loved the wine though i thought it was a bit quite yesterday. Needed some breathing and a firm chill to wake it up. Nice herbal notes, proper meatiness with smooth texture, etc. Thor said it had to much VA for him, i didnt notice any.

J. Chamonard Morgon "Le Clos de Lys" 1996. Singing. Lovely developed fruit with a distinct Rhone feel. Yes "Rhone" feel. I have been experiencing older cru Beaujolais, especially Morgon, heading in the Rhone direction and not the "pinotize" direction of late. I like it, more please.
 
Les Cretes, Coteau la Tour (2005, 100% syrah) was also present. I loved the wine though i thought it was a bit quite yesterday. Needed some breathing and a firm chill to wake it up. Nice herbal notes, proper meatiness with smooth texture, etc. Thor said it had to much VA for him, i didnt notice any.

Not sure about 'meaty' because too me it seemed lighter in body than many of the other wines we were drinking. Regardless, I liked it a lot and was surprised at how recognizeably 'syrah' it was for my usually Northern Rhone focused palate. I was expecting a different geographical imprint but it may be more similar in climate than the Southern Rhone is to the Northern Rhone?

J. Chamonard Morgon "Le Clos de Lys" 1996. Singing. Lovely developed fruit with a distinct Rhone feel. Yes "Rhone" feel.

If by "Rhone feel" you mean brett, sure, I agree.

Regardless, I liked the wine a lot. For me I was especially pleased with the maturing integrated texture.
 
As I mentioned in the WLDG thread, thanks for the notes Salil and thanks to Tse Wei and his partner for putting on a serious spread. Anyone passing through Somerville once their restaurant opens would be foolish not to eat there. The lebni tart in particular was gorgeous but it was all delicious.

I also really liked the NV Chaussard You Are So Bubbly. Sparkling elegant grenache/cinsault from the Loire never tasted so good! And so restrained!

On the Souhaut and D&R, I liked the Souhaut a lot more as it aired although there was some brett and it did not have the stoney clarity and precision of my favorite examples from Souhaut (which were earlier vintages and maybe it is too much to expect 'clarity' from 2005?).

The Dard and Ribo showed very well given my expectation of bacterial experiments from these guys. But then again even the anti D&R folks have to admit that when the wines show well they are lots of 'fun'. The only question is how many of the bottles will be fun and delicious and how many would be spoiled. I think Mike said 1/4 were drinkable which makes this very expensive. And, true to form, by the end of the night the wine smelled like rotting sewage. But I agree it was glorious in the beginning.
 
originally posted by Salil Benegal:

2004 Dard et Ribo St. Joseph
Surprisingly developed given that it's an '04; great aromatics with dark fruits and earth accented by peppery and developed leathery/meaty notes; lovely combination of youthful fruit and mature flavours in the mouth with an elegant, finessed mouthfeel. Delicious stuff, my first experience with D&R and I'll have to hunt down some in the future.

2005 Herve Souhaut St. Joseph Sainte Epine
Full of brett with a nose full of barnyard funk, iodine, leather and some red fruits beneath - in the mouth it's rich and supple with a polished texture, but the brett's so dominant here it overwhelms every other aspect of the wine and makes it a bit hard to enjoy.

2005 Jean-Louis Chave St. Joseph
Dense and richly fruited with touches of wood and herbal notes, didn't make much of an impression when served blind or when I revisited.

2006 Stphane Othguy St. Joseph
Gorgeous aromatics, full of dark fruit, savoury earth and pepper accented with lavender and violet elements; rich and layered in the mouth with lots of depth, elegance and bright acidity giving the flavours a sense of freshness and precision. Need to look out for more from this producer.

2001 Edmunds St. John Syrah Wylie-Fenaughty
Served blind, not many people picked this out alongside the other St. Josephs. Rich and savoury with plum and black olive flavours with smoky accents, though in the company this didn't stand out that much and didn't make the impression it did last week at the ESJ-fest.

Great bunch of wines you trotted out for Steve, Salil. From the list, I suspect the presence of Mr. Lawton at this event, or at least someone who shops at the same places that he does. When Rahsaan first opened the '01 W-F for me (back in '05), I said that it reminded me of a very good St. Joseph, but subsequent encounters have convinced me that it has its own unique character. Tasting it blind with some St. Josephs is an interesting way to test that idea, though.

Thanks for the notes,
Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:


I also really liked the NV Chaussard You Are So Beautiful. Sparkling elegant grenache/cinsault from the Loire never tasted so good!

Wow! That's a powerful statement, given all the competition. [insert emoticon here]

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Salil Benegal:

2004 Dard et Ribo St. Joseph
2005 Herve Souhaut St. Joseph Sainte Epine
2005 Jean-Louis Chave St. Joseph
2006 Stphane Othguy St. Joseph
2001 Edmunds St. John Syrah Wylie-Fenaughty

Great bunch of wines you trotted out for Steve, Salil. From the list, I suspect the presence of Mr. Lawton at this event, or at least someone who shops at the same places that he does

Funny you should say that, because these 5 wines were served blind by Mike Lawton. He told us that they were all from the same grape and all 2001 or younger, but no further information.

Most of us zeroed in on Northern Rhone syrah after tasting the D&R but the Chave had a lot of people thinking Australia. And the 01 WF was not showing very 'typical'. Steve certainly didn't pick it out as his own wine and I don't think anyone else guessed ESJ either (although some might have said CA/New World).
 
there was much joy when I was gathering the wine for those 5 bottles. My goal was not so much to stump people - I just find that many folks (consciously or subconsciously) are biased by labels and preconceived notions. And, true to form, the wines really showed differently than I expected.

The Dard et Ribo was delicious. One of the things I expected this group of wines to show was how weird this wine was. Well, what it actually showed was that the other 2 bottles I had purchased were very off. All-in, this was good but at (3*30=$90) for one (admittedly very) good bottle, I'm not a buyer again. I call this my Paolo Bea math.

The Souhaut was tougher than the other bottles I've opened. Lots of structure, definitely not friendly. odd.

The Chave (estate, not Offerus) was fine, but seemed a little muted.

The Otheguy was my favorite and I really like this wine.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Was the Chave the estate or the Offerus?

I am still drinking the 95 estate. Man, is that good.

Why are Arsenal supporters such label drinkers?

would you rather have me drink 95 offerus right now ?
 
The Dard et Ribo was delicious. One of the things I expected this group of wines to show was how weird this wine was.

Having just had my own dinner here at home after the day-long drive back I'm digesting these notes and surprised Salil put them up sooo fast. With his speed and attention to detail, I imagine he could do booming business writing term papers for those slackers who waited until last minute to do theirs. I'll add more later, but this was an interesting set. The Dard & Ribo I thought was a Texier wine: it had the cloudiness and lightness that I would expect his wiens to have (his syrahs always seem atypical to me). I missed a few wines, an oversight, but I was (sometimes) more enthralled by the food and company and the wines played second fiddle to a fine evening. Highlights to me were the 1990 Pegau (probably my WOTN), the Chave St Joseph (which I felt needed about 6-8 years); the Les Cretes which was ripe, sinewy yet elegant; The Domaine du la Vougeraie 'En Bollery', 1999, thrown in by Len as a stumper, and stumper it was, as I would have guessed an off-vintage Cote Rotie, but this was in fact pure gamay -- cool; the Best's Great Western Shiraz from Victoria, Australia seemed old school Aussie in a way that I liked, still going strong after 12 years quite balanced and not at all jammy; the absinthe's at the end (from Delaware Phoenix in NYS) were a nice touch, a little goes a long way but they were interesting. To tell the truth, besides the corked Hermitage, there was really not a bad wine among the lot, and there were a lot, which is saying something.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
Salil, great to hang out a bit and thanks for bringing that nice magnum for everyone.

Couple things that were also present:

Also not mentioned was the funky Vigna Amato Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi classico superiore, Ambrosia, 1999, which I think is not imported in the USA. With a name like 'Ambrosia', you think you're going to be drinking a sweet wine, but this felt like a dry ripasso wine that was either purposely oxidixed or going downhill. I'd like to hear other's opinions.
 
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