CWD: A Jeebus for Steve Edmunds

originally posted by MarkS:
1999, thrown in by Len as a stumper, and stumper it was, as I would have guessed an off-vintage Cote Rotie, but this was in fact pure gamay -- cool;
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Further validation of Brzme's claim that Syrah is widely planted in the Beaujolais?
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:

J. Chamonard Morgon "Le Clos de Lys" 1996. Singing. Lovely developed fruit with a distinct Rhone feel. Yes "Rhone" feel. I have been experiencing older cru Beaujolais, especially Morgon, heading in the Rhone direction and not the "pinotize" direction of late. I like it, more please.
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And still more validation?
 
That was some evening. Thanks for the notes, Salil!

My impressions are broadly the same as Salil's, with the following comments. Also the 2nd day perspective on some of the wines.

1989 Lasalle - not fresh, but didn't find it particularly short.

2007 Az. Agr. Claudio Vio - fresh and nice but didn't seem particularly interesting at the time.

2008 Anthill - I think we enjoyed this much more than everyone else did.

Of Mike's 5 blind mice (thanks, Mike!) - my first experience with D&R - concur with Rahsaan. Fantastic at first, pure sewer by the end of the night. Souhaut was just weird. Completely out of character and quite disappointing. Chave classic, very good today, very expected. Otheguy was frickin' gorgeous - really need to buy this stuff. ESJ today fell apart into very cherry cough syrup notes. Very good yesterday.

Really liked the Les Cretes. Does Bea math apply? Incidentally, Mike, I think Bea math holds true only for some of the wines. Diana, normally a restraining force on my purchasing, pushed very hard for the high end Bea stuff after tasting it. Her QPR ratios are quite stiff, so...

Agree with Matteo on the 96 Chamonard - you get the sense they weren't trying to make pinot. But Morgon to me is the rhonish cru.

You Are So Bubbly... good. Not saleable, I think, but tasty.

1999 Domaine du la Vougeraie 'En Bollery' was bloody fabulous. This is what old gamay should turn into.

NV Pinon was... awkward and uninteresting. Neither floral/fruity/sweet enough nor steely/minerally enough.

Thanks for coming, all!
 
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MarkS:
The Dard & Ribo I thought was a Texier wine
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My thoughts exactly. Maybe my D&R haven't been representative.
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Wasn't my impression, but I can perhaps see where Mark is going- I think sometimes it's all-too-easy to forget what actual Syrah really tastes like. I don't remember the simple little cooler vintage/clime Syrah that was poured blind to the junior staff one day at CSW, but without all the hickory-smoked bacon fat we were all over- Beaujolais, northern Italy, etc. It was, of course, instantly recognizable as "classic Syrah" to Lillie-san. Luckily, my subsequent moment of satori surely only sloughed off dead weight from previous Dead Arm and Woop Woop induced apoptosis.

originally posted by twlim:
You Are So Bubbly... good. Not saleable, I think, but tasty.
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Hmm. This might present a challenge, as your beverage director is considering it for a by the glass pour w/ the upper end tasting menu...
 
originally posted by Seth Hill: I think sometimes it's all-too-easy to forget what actual Syrah really tastes like...without all the hickory-smoked bacon fat we were all over...
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So are you saying that the hickory-smoked bacon fat is not 'actual' syrah? It can't be a terroir specific thing because it crops up in syrah from more than just the Northern Rhone. So does that mean it is some 'additional' flavor. Like the brett people were confusing for terroir in previous decades?
 
We've opened three of the Pinon 2007 NV. One was not so great. The other two showed some bitterness on opening, but settled into a smooth, creamy groove with some air time. Perhaps there's bottle variation, but the odds and quality of the good ones were sufficient to send me back to the well for more.
 
Hmm. This might present a challenge, as your beverage director is considering it for a by the glass pour w/ the upper end tasting menu...
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Like I actually know/have a say in what he's planning to do?

Seriously, though, I did like the wine.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Seth Hill: I think sometimes it's all-too-easy to forget what actual Syrah really tastes like...without all the hickory-smoked bacon fat we were all over...
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So are you saying that the hickory-smoked bacon fat is not 'actual' syrah? It can't be a terroir specific thing because it crops up in syrah from more than just the Northern Rhone. So does that mean it is some 'additional' flavor. Like the brett people were confusing for terroir in previous decades?
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It's a matter of degree. Too much and I start thinking about yeast, which always gets me in trouble.

[edited to fix typo and to apologize for the 3-post-at-once bomb, now fixed]
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
We've opened three of the Pinon 2007 NV. One was not so great. The other two showed some bitterness on opening, but settled into a smooth, creamy groove with some air time. Perhaps there's bottle variation, but the odds and quality of the good ones were sufficient to send me back to the well for more.
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I've been through a quite a few and all have been lovely. Maybe a little less rs than the last batch I had. Still terrific.
 
originally posted by twlim:
Does Bea math apply? Incidentally, Mike, I think Bea math holds true only for some of the wines. Diana, normally a restraining force on my purchasing, pushed very hard for the high end Bea stuff after tasting it. Her QPR ratios are quite stiff, so...
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I think the mean is much higher but the deviation is still there on the high end Bea wines. Good bottles are super, and then there are some bottles that are not so super. 3 bottles of 2004 Pipparello at Il Cappricio's tasting a couple of weeks ago really bore this out. The best was phenomenal and I was all excited to get my checkbook out and buy a case. Then I tried the wine from the other 2 bottles and it managed to halt the excitement. Mind you, the wines from the other two bottles was fine (in the US sense) - just not electric.
 
originally posted by Cliff
I've been through a quite a few and all have been lovely. Maybe a little less rs than the last batch I had. Still terrific.
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Hey Cliff. Have you tried some of the other non-Champagne French fizz CSW is carrying? I'm thinking particularly of the Closel (Anjou) and the Montbourgeau (Jura).
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Cliff
I've been through a quite a few and all have been lovely. Maybe a little less rs than the last batch I had. Still terrific.
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Hey Cliff. Have you tried some of the other non-Champagne French fizz CSW is carrying? I'm thinking particularly of the Closel (Anjou) and the Montbourgeau (Jura).
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i'm not cliff but i have drunk half a case of the closel and love it. excellent wine in my opinion.
 
originally posted by mlawton:

The best was phenomenal and I was all excited to get my checkbook out and buy a case.
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Finally back to buying wine again, eh?

Count me amongst the bummed I had to miss this (and the ESJ impromptu tasting this week) due to schedule conflicts.
 
Wow, what a great-sounding event!

I've loved previous vintages of the Les Cretes.

originally posted by Seth Hill:
Luckily, my subsequent moment of satori surely only sloughed off dead weight from previous Dead Arm and Woop Woop induced apoptosis.
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Kinda strong whiff of Zul in this. Can Seth keep growing into the role?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Seth Hill:
Luckily, my subsequent moment of satori surely only sloughed off dead weight from previous Dead Arm and Woop Woop induced apoptosis.
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Kinda strong whiff of Zul in this. Can Seth keep growing into the role?
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There is no Zul. Only Coad.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Cliff
I've been through a quite a few and all have been lovely. Maybe a little less rs than the last batch I had. Still terrific.
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Hey Cliff. Have you tried some of the other non-Champagne French fizz CSW is carrying? I'm thinking particularly of the Closel (Anjou) and the Montbourgeau (Jura).
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i'm not cliff but i have drunk half a case of the closel and love it. excellent wine in my opinion.
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Can you say anything more about it, Bill, or did you keep a note?
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Cliff
I've been through a quite a few and all have been lovely. Maybe a little less rs than the last batch I had. Still terrific.
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Hey Cliff. Have you tried some of the other non-Champagne French fizz CSW is carrying? I'm thinking particularly of the Closel (Anjou) and the Montbourgeau (Jura).
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I haven't tried the Closel but very much like everything I've tried from Montbourgeau, including the fizz.
 
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