Cory Cartwright in the NY Times!

originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
The picture is blurry but I am pretty sure that is a bottle of ESJ in the background.
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The picture I see has a bottle of Ch. Musar right up front.
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Musar yes, but I'm pretty sure it's the Musar Cuvee Reserve rather than Chateau Musar. And that's definitely an ESJ label on the shelf to his right.
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Cuvee Rouge, I think...and while the price is right (sub $20) I don't equate that wine with a potential Bordeaux replacement at all....more like a CdR alternative.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
So, who wants to take a stab at a current list of Bordeaux producers that haven't yet succumbed to the Dark Side of the Force?
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Domaine Jaugaret (St. Julien)
Moulin Pey Labrie (Canon-Fronsac)
Chateau Haut Segottes (St. Emilion)
Chateau Moulin de Tricot (Margaux)
Chateau La Peyre (Saint Estephe)
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
So, who wants to take a stab at a current list of Bordeaux producers that haven't yet succumbed to the Dark Side of the Force? Most of my experience is almost as out-of-date as Claude's, but I can contribute the following:

Cantemerle
Trotanoy, and I guess the rest of the Moueix stable, yadda yadda.
the Belair-Canon-Magdelaine trinity
Vieux-Chateau-Certan
Behere
Bourgneuf

Open questions:

Pichon-Lalande: not long ago would have made it on my list above, but I seem to remember reading ominous things about "improvements."
Haut-Bailly: has made some of my favorite Bordeaux ever, but what's with the last few vintages getting high-90s scores from (censored)? And who will ever bother finding out at those prices??
Gruaud-Larose: perhaps promising. Didn't (censored) complain a few years ago that the wines weren't what they used to be? Yum!
Cheval-Blanc and Haut-Brion: formerly my favorite first growths, now...? who knows, who cares? About as relevant as putting together one of those lists of actresses and supermodels you're allowed to sleep with if you have the opportunity.
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Reading high Parker scores as bad and low Parker scores as good is as silly as the reverse. If you've never liked a wine he also liked, then you aren't judging wines, only him. And he's not worth it.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
I thought the recent LMHBs excellent, not that I can afford to buy any.
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You are a closet Arsenal fan, aren't you?

I've never had a LMHB that tasted spoofy and if I were going to triple my annual Bordeaux purchases to, say, 9 bottles a year, I'd look to buy some LMHB, although I'd probably roll the dice and buy some older bottles and hope the storage had been decent.

I just got around to reading the Asimov piece on the state of Bordeaux drinking these days and thought it was excellent.

I was at a Bordeaux wine tasting dinner thing a couple months ago, and I was the only one there who was not at least 80 years old or had never lived in the UK or former UK colony.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Reading high Parker scores as bad and low Parker scores as good is as silly as the reverse. If you've never liked a wine he also liked, then you aren't judging wines, only him.
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It would only be silly if experience didn't validate that reading, but in fact ample experience confirms that virtually every non-first growth since the 2003 vintage that he either verbally praises or scores above 92 is unpleasant and unclaretlike, and virtually every winery he has condemned as "not what it used to be" is, in fact, exactly what it used to be. To ignore this experience solely to give the benefit of the doubt to Parker's palate would be silly.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Reading high Parker scores as bad and low Parker scores as good is as silly as the reverse. If you've never liked a wine he also liked, then you aren't judging wines, only him.
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It would only be silly if experience didn't validate that reading, but in fact ample experience confirms that virtually every non-first growth since the 2003 vintage that he either verbally praises or scores above 92 is unpleasant and unclaretlike, and virtually every winery he has condemned as "not what it used to be" is, in fact, exactly what it used to be. To ignore this experience solely to give the benefit of the doubt to Parker's palate would be silly.
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Even your list of wines you consider not to have changed falsifies your claim since Parker has reviewed numbers of them well (if not above 96). I wasn't arguing for giving Parker any benefit of the doubt, just for not making overinflated claims that everything he says is just "not." If that were true, one could use him as a reliable reviewer.
 
I'm under the impression that Tennessee had British settlements from about 1757 on, and that in those days colonies such as Virginia had no western boundaries, and that would include North Carolina, I guess. (A lawyer down the hall from me is from KY and tells me that all the old land records from KY are VA land records.) Also, that after formation of the union, eight western counties in North Carolina broke off and tried to become a separate state, but didn't succeed and had to go back to NC, eventually being ceded by NC to the federal government and becoming a federal territory, and then being incorporated as part of TN when TN became a state. So it seems to me, TN was part of one of the 13 colonies.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm: So it seems to me, TN was part of one of the 13 colonies.
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Good points. Yes, it seems you are correct.

And according to this fun little book ( How the States Got Their Shapes ) that my wife bought for one of her projects, Tennessee was part of the Carolina Colony until 1712 when it became part of North Carolina.

Then, as you mention, Tenn became its own state in the late 1700s after various disputes. And there were indeed plenty of land disuputes in those days!
 
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