Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Manlin used to post on Parker regularly. Always seemed a voice of reason.
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A Chateauneuf I liked
- Thread starter Jay Miller
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Carl Steefel
Carl Steefel
There were some very ripe monsters from the 2001, including the Mordoree Reines des Bois and the Caillou Quartz. Most of these seemed to have a good backbone when I tasted them young, but who knows how they evolved. I liked the 2001 Janasse Chaupin when it came out, but sampling it a few years later, it was over-ripe and downright flaccid... But the best examples seem to have a good underlying acidic structure that distinguishes them from some of the other vintages.originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
And here I am. 01 will be a longer lived year and isn't as ripe as 98 or 00. But I'd hardly classify it as cool. 99, 04 and 08 are about as restrained as CdP gets these days and that's where I would go (and do go)when I'm looking for spice and structure.
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I tasted the 2003 Usseglio Mon Aieul at the Domaine (after much pleading with our hosts) and I was surprised how restrained and structured this one was, at least in the context of the vintage.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
Of course in both the cases of the '03 'Mon Aueil' and the '01 Bonneau I didn't run out to buy the wines. But given how I usually detest most Chateauneuf these days enjoying one always strikes me as a pleasant surprise.
Of course I'm drunk at the moment so who knows what I'm really typing.
Of course I'm drunk at the moment so who knows what I'm really typing.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
And here I am. 01 will be a longer lived year and isn't as ripe as 98 or 00. But I'd hardly classify it as cool. 99, 04 and 08 are about as restrained as CdP gets these days and that's where I would go (and do go)when I'm looking for spice and structure.
04 is my go-to year of the last decade in the southern rhone.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
01 is the last year I bought S. Rhones. If both Jay and David Bueker are reassessing CdP, though, I may have to reconsider.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
01 is the last year I bought S. Rhones. If both Jay and David Bueker are reassessing CdP, thoughk, I may have to reconsider.
David, I believe, has always liked CdP. Indeed he prays for good vintages. It probably works as well as my method, which is to yell "grow, grapes" at the vineyards when I'm there.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Thor:
You're not yelling "hurry up and ripen" at the grenache, are you? Because if so, I think we may have someone to blame.
It's my intention merely to encourage the making of good raw material for wine, not different from saying "you go, grapes." But the grapes may indeed be interpreting me differently. Since I started spending at least two weeks a year there in 1997, if the grapes misinterpreted my intended encouragement, I may indeed be to blame (although one still has to explain 97, 99, 04, 08). I will reconsider what I yell at them for this summer. Perhaps, "Oh, grapes, seek ye out elegance!"
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Thor:
You're not yelling "hurry up and ripen" at the grenache, are you? Because if so, I think we may have someone to blame.
It's my intention merely to encourage the making of good raw material for wine, not different from saying "you go, grapes." But the grapes may indeed be interpreting me differently. Since I started spending at least two weeks a year there in 1997, if the grapes misinterpreted my intended encouragement, I may indeed be to blame (although one still has to explain 97, 99, 04, 08). I will reconsider what I yell at them for this summer. Perhaps, "Oh, grapes, seek ye out elegance!"
Oh, dearie me! Will the "Loesberg effect" now be brought to bear to explain global climate change? They say that there no such thing as bad publicity, though.
Mark Lipton