WTF is the matter with Henry Marionnet?

There is a note, somewhere in cyberspace, that defines a certain romorantin as being so focused and piercing, it's the equivalent of water shooting through a dime-sized hole in a major-sized dam.

Just think what fun that would be on a hot summer day in the city.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Give it up, Joel. Taste Villemade, Cazin and Marionnet and give me the synthesis. (Hint: ain't none.)

Point of comparison, taste De Moor, Coche Dury and Valette. What? It's all chardo from Burgundy.
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So it's a blank, characterless grape, to which everyone throws their winemaking onto, you are saying? And no consistent aging traits to help define it either? Sounds like a boring fucking grape. I'm deleting my Puzelat notes today....which is a shame, because I was starting to get into saying "romo", with the gangsta handshake even.
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Oh, not as bad as all that. But a grape with low aromatics when young, think melon or altesse. It clearly has glycosides or something that are precursors to smelly things that are revealed as it ages.

I bet there are enzymes or engineered yeast that could make that shit smell just like New Zealand SB.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

Oh, not as bad as all that.
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I know...just elected to not use the emoticon option that doesn't exist for "light sarcasm". So, for you, the aromatics improve with time....how about textures, flavors?

Also, archivally speaking, did this grape get any respect say 100 yrs ago?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Give it up, Joel. Taste Villemade, Cazin and Marionnet and give me the synthesis. (Hint: ain't none.)

Point of comparison, taste De Moor, Coche Dury and Valette. What? It's all chardo from Burgundy.
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So it's a blank, characterless grape, to which everyone throws their winemaking onto, you are saying? And no consistent aging traits to help define it either? Sounds like a boring fucking grape. I'm deleting my Puzelat notes today....which is a shame, because I was starting to get into saying "romo", with the gangsta handshake even.
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Oh, not as bad as all that. But a grape with low aromatics when young, think melon or altesse. It clearly has glycosides or something that are precursors to smelly things that are revealed as it ages.
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I don't really subscribe to your view that the wine exhibits low aromatics when young. When I brought the regular bottle of '96 to your place in '99, it had plenty of wonderful things on the nose and I've found later vintages no different. They of course gain complexity with age, but what do we usually drink that don't?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I attribute a fair bit of the aromatics in young Cuve Renaissance to botrytis. I could be wrong.
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The one we had back then was the dry one, but I wouldn't attribute the intense raspberry and quince aromas I always get in both bottlings to botrytis and when you think about it, our favorites, and I'm assuming that, like me, you consider the '96 and '02's the best of the past 14 years, those are low botrytis years.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I had always regretted not picking up some Provignage during the Astor moving sale. My regrets have now vanished.

re the 1996 Renaissance - I've probably had that a half dozen times since it was first released and it has never shown as well as it's showing right now. And it was always really good.
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That's exactly when I picked up the few bottles that I have. I don't regret it at all. It can be a truly profound and astonishing wine, and I've been very surprised at the way it's aged. I won't be keeping mine much longer, but it really is something quite unique, to my tastes.
 
I have one bottle of the '96 CR from when Crush put it out a few months back. I wasn't in an hurry to get to it, but after reading this it's going to be hard to just let it sit there.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I had always regretted not picking up some Provignage during the Astor moving sale. My regrets have now vanished.

re the 1996 Renaissance - I've probably had that a half dozen times since it was first released and it has never shown as well as it's showing right now. And it was always really good.
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That's exactly when I picked up the few bottles that I have. I don't regret it at all. It can be a truly profound and astonishing wine, and I've been very surprised at the way it's aged. I won't be keeping mine much longer, but it really is something quite unique, to my tastes.
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But is it the greatest wine of the last 14 years?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I had always regretted not picking up some Provignage during the Astor moving sale. My regrets have now vanished.

re the 1996 Renaissance - I've probably had that a half dozen times since it was first released and it has never shown as well as it's showing right now. And it was always really good.
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That's exactly when I picked up the few bottles that I have. I don't regret it at all. It can be a truly profound and astonishing wine, and I've been very surprised at the way it's aged. I won't be keeping mine much longer, but it really is something quite unique, to my tastes.
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But is it the greatest wine of the last 14 years?
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Of all time. ALL TIME.
 
Marionette, your dress is all wet
Did someone leave you outside in the rain,
Or is it the pain
that makes all the puppet tears
roll down your cheek
Or does the roof leak?

Marionette, how could you forget?
I told you your bright shining varnish
would peel
And how does it feel
with the bright rouge all faded and
the smile almost cracked
Now that you've come back?
Back to the toy shop by Brandenburg Gate
I hope not too late
'Cause my hands are much stiffer
Than they were when first I
painted your eyes.

Marionette, no you're not finished yet;
I'll mend you and make you like new,
Paint your eyes blue,
and make you as young as I was myself,
And there on the shelf...
You'll sit till the Puppet Man
Comes round again.
 
The $100 today is no more nor less ridiculous than the $60 price. Price, as we all know, is highly sensitive to rarity. This wine is a particular rarity that is worth sampling once or twice if you can. Or ten or twelve times, if it happens to work out. I'm very sorry that the wine isn't holding up well. I would only point out that you may have tasted some wonderful examples of a 1957 Romorantin, aged under a cork that wasn't necessarily of the highest quality neither.

Your questions about Marionnet are entirely fair.
 
wait a minute.
May 12th
10 Bells
Same wine, the 2000, no ?
Nothing advanced about that bottle, less than 50% evolved.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
wait a minute.
May 12th
10 Bells
Same wine, the 2000, no ?
Nothing advanced about that bottle, less than 50% evolved.
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Yah. That's the best one I've ever had. One the next night was almost a Monty Python parrot.
 
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