96 Gaja Barbaresco

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
So the question is what MSG has or does that is wrong or simply inadequate faced with more "natural" products.

Take msg and use it instead of salt for any recipe...sauteed veggies for example. Then repeat with something like nuoc mam or nam pla. It becomes apparent...for Joe's reasons. What I don't get is if the main compound is the same, why the headache with the "fake stuff"?
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
That's been largely disproven, from what I've read.

So...which to believe? What is written vs empiricially experienced? My head burns quickly from the refined powder, not at all from the sauces. It may just go back to the intolerence issue.
 
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originally posted by SFJoe:
It'a all about the glutamate.

And the GMP, maybe a bit.

Good Manufacturing Process?? Or some other meaning? I'd presume that all of Aji no moto's MSG is GMP.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
It'a all about the glutamate.

And the GMP, maybe a bit.

Good Manufacturing Process?? Or some other meaning? I'd presume that all of Aji no moto's MSG is GMP.

Mark Lipton
Mononucleotides contribute some too, last I heard.

I doubt they go through the full drill of FDA GMP for MSG. There, I said it.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
That's been largely disproven, from what I've read.

I read an article a few years back which said there is an allergic reaction but it's very rare with one exception - it's relatively common among Jews.

Which would certainly explain the seeming overreporting of the phenomena in the US.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
That's been largely disproven, from what I've read.

I read an article a few years back which said there is an allergic reaction but it's very rare with one exception - it's relatively common among Jews.

Which would certainly explain the seeming overreporting of the phenomena in the US.

I doubt that there could be a genuine allergic reaction to MSG. It's both too small and too common to elicit an immune response such as is needed for an allergic reaction. Since glutamic acid is one of the 20 essential amino acids present in proteins, you get a dose of glutamate whenever you digest protein.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
96 Gaja Barbaresco
Grip from tannins went to shibu-gaki mouth puckerin levels later, but the core of fruit inside was traditional, and alive...you can tell the fruit sorting shows here.

WTF is Shibu-Gaki?
 
MSG can be seen plainly on Kombu, used for making Dashi, and also in mature Parmesan if you hold it up to the light. It is certainly a naturally occurring and reasonably naturally produced substance. The reason for the reactions people experience with it is entirely to do with massively exaggerated use, and the symptoms are pretty similar to those caused by serious oversalting. MSG actually has a strong taste, but if this taste is identifiable in a finished dish it has been overused by at least a factor of ten by cooks whose judgement has been destroyed by overexposure. It has its place, used with discretion- a pinch in a large panful of chinese style chicken stock makes all the difference in a way that more concentration, which makes something too gelatinous for its purpose,does not, and most importantly reduces the apparent need for excess salt.
I use it almost never but do keep some in the kitchen-it is infinitely preferable to commercial stock cubes, pastes and granules for instance, and I am sure both less harmful and less corrupting to the palate.
And it has to be said that the bizarre 'ma-la' sensations found in the Sichuan kitchen do not quite happen in the same way if there is no MSG there.
 
I know zero about Sichuan uses of msg...is it used in powder form?

The two items I am recently into using in the kitchen for salt driven umami are nam pla and that pink himalayan salt. Sea salt is a good runner up. Nam pla is like your msg, Tom. One drop too many and you're stuck with it dominating everything. Stinks too (but I kinda like complaining about that, while pouring it).
 
PS...speaking of nebbiolo and reggiano, is there something to be said about pairing those two to make (for example) a younger barolo more literally palatable? I've heard arguments about killing babies to get at the fruit, and the technique was using reggiano.
 
Agreed about Nam Pla. I resist using it in Western food though it does have an ancient pedigree being apparently similar to the Roman garum.And Mam Nem is just like Burgess anchovy essence!
 
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