TN: 2005 Overnoy-Houillon Pupillin

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Lyle Fass

Lyle Fass
This is a wine I adore. The nose was fascinating and had all types of non-fruit aromas. Decaying, foresty, some red fruits and some dead/dying flowers on the nose. There was great focus to the aromas and they wafted. The palate on the other hand, was a different story. It seemed like it was fading. The fruit was short, and the finish was short and astringent. Really not a good showing. Apparently the winery held it back and it was just released. Someone else commented that last bottle they had of this (two weeks before) had more of a structure and seemed more alive, but also added it gave the impression of a closed wine. Obviously there is some bottle variation going on here, but this bottle seemed like it would have been better two years ago. Does anybody have experience aging this wine?
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
TN: 2005 Overnoy-Houillon PupillinThis is a wine I adore. The nose was fascinating and had all types of non-fruit aromas. Decaying, foresty, some red fruits and some dead/dying flowers on the nose. There was great focus to the aromas and they wafted. The palate on the other hand, was a different story. It seemed like it was fading. The fruit was short, and the finish was short and astringent. Really not a good showing. Apparently Paul Grieco (at Terroir Tribeca and he is the owner and wine selector) had held this back because he thought it was going to be better down the road. Someone else commented that last bottle they had of this (two weeks before) had more of a structure and seemed more alive, but also added it gave the impression of a closed wine. Obviously there is some bottle variation going on here, but this bottle seemed like it would have been better two years ago. Does anybody have experience aging this wine?
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First, I assume we are talking about the poulsard.
I have no experience with the 2005.
I have some experience with other vintages and have found that they generally (bottle variation aside) have held up and often developed with aging.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
TN: 2005 Overnoy-Houillon PupillinThis is a wine I adore. The nose was fascinating and had all types of non-fruit aromas. Decaying, foresty, some red fruits and some dead/dying flowers on the nose. There was great focus to the aromas and they wafted. The palate on the other hand, was a different story. It seemed like it was fading. The fruit was short, and the finish was short and astringent. Really not a good showing. Apparently Paul Grieco (at Terroir Tribeca and he is the owner and wine selector) had held this back because he thought it was going to be better down the road. Someone else commented that last bottle they had of this (two weeks before) had more of a structure and seemed more alive, but also added it gave the impression of a closed wine. Obviously there is some bottle variation going on here, but this bottle seemed like it would have been better two years ago. Does anybody have experience aging this wine?
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First, I assume we are talking about the poulsard.
I have no experience with the 2005.
I have some experience with other vintages and have found that they generally (bottle variation aside) have held up and often developed with aging.
Best, Jim
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Yes, the Poulsard. The '02 is still my all-timer and I really wonder how that is doing.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
Does anybody have experience aging this wine?
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It was just released.
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Okay, my info is all messed up then. The winery held it back not Paul. I completely misunderstood. I'll change it. Makes it a bit more of a mystery to me. I'll have to have another bottle and see how it is.
 
To my tastes, it is nowhere near ready to drink, which is why it's a shame that they're pouring it at Ten Bells, I hear, as well as at Terroir. Save some, dudes! It's not ready now!
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
To my tastes, it is nowhere near ready to drink, which is why it's a shame that they're pouring it at Ten Bells, I hear, as well as at Terroir! Save some, dudes! It's not ready now!
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I had it at Terroir Tribeca last night. I'll have to have a bottle at home and follow it for some time.
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
TN: 2005 Overnoy-Houillon PupillinThis is a wine I adore. The nose was fascinating and had all types of non-fruit aromas. Decaying, foresty, some red fruits and some dead/dying flowers on the nose. There was great focus to the aromas and they wafted. The palate on the other hand, was a different story. It seemed like it was fading. The fruit was short, and the finish was short and astringent. Really not a good showing. Apparently Paul Grieco (at Terroir Tribeca and he is the owner and wine selector) had held this back because he thought it was going to be better down the road. Someone else commented that last bottle they had of this (two weeks before) had more of a structure and seemed more alive, but also added it gave the impression of a closed wine. Obviously there is some bottle variation going on here, but this bottle seemed like it would have been better two years ago. Does anybody have experience aging this wine?
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First, I assume we are talking about the poulsard.
I have no experience with the 2005.
I have some experience with other vintages and have found that they generally (bottle variation aside) have held up and often developed with aging.
Best, Jim
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Yes, the Poulsard. The '02 is still my all-timer and I really wonder how that is doing.
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The 02 is doing great, but to me, seems likely to be doing great for many more years.
 
Tried it twice in France and have to say wasn't impressed either time. Seemed tired and slightly oxidative both times, and it fell apart quickly in the glass. Manu wasn't very impressed by the vintage as I recall, and he said the ferment was heroically long because of the problems with the vintage. Definitely not a keeper ('09, however, will be something special).
 
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
Tried it twice in France and have to say wasn't impressed either time. Seemed tired and slightly oxidative both times, and it fell apart quickly in the glass. Manu wasn't very impressed by the vintage as I recall, and he said the ferment was heroically long because of the problems with the vintage. Definitely not a keeper ('09, however, will be something special).
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This reminds of my experience and subsequent debate over the 2001 Donnhoff NHS trocken. The last three times I had it I thought it was dead/dying and some others said it was way too young. Sharon thinks it is way too young, whilst on my one experience, last night, it tasted like a wine that had seen better days. Cory also thinks it had seen better days. I guess time will tell. It is so interesting to me, that one can think a wine as fading, and another can think of the same wine as too young. I guess it is a matter of personal taste rather than the absolute truth on that wine.
 
whilst on my one experience, last night, it tasted like a wine that had seen better days..
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At a minimum we can say that your bottle had seen better days. Although I guess if it was just bottled that doesn't leave much time...
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
To my tastes, it is nowhere near ready to drink, which is why it's a shame that they're pouring it at Ten Bells, I hear, as well as at Terroir. Save some, dudes! It's not ready now!
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It will never be ready.
Not something you want to pour by the glass except if you want to be trendy.(in France the trend is Menetou-Salon!!!)
As Mr.Cartwright says it is slighty oxidized.
Does the very long fermentation killed that wine?
Joe you better cook with your 05 or make some Kalimuxo.
 
originally posted by lucertoran:

Joe you better cook with your 05 or make some Kalimuxo.
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Huh. Your bottles must have suffered in transit. I'll give you a fair price for them.
 
originally posted by Scott Kraft:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by lucertoran:

Joe you better cook with your 05 or make some Kalimuxo.
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Huh. Your bottles must have suffered in transit. I'll give you a fair price for them.
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when an i-banker offers a "fair price", run for the hills.
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Hell, I'll give you a fairness opinion to go with it.
 
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