07 Chidaine Montlouis "Clos Habert"

originally posted by BJ:
If I had to name the most underpriced, underrated producer I know, there's a good chance I'd say Chidaine.
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in this neck of the woods, chidaine clos boudoin is not that much less than the huet vouvrays.

jacky blot is a good deal less.
 
I don't follow this as closely as I should, but I take it Chidiane is doing good work the Prince's old vineyards? Or is he still working out some of the kinks?
 
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
I don't follow this as closely as I should, but I take it Chidiane is doing good work the Prince's old vineyards? Or is he still working out some of the kinks?
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chidaine's first vintage of vouvray was 2004 so my guess is the vineyards are the way he wants them.
the kinks to work out, as i understand it, were more purchasing the property. one of poiniatoski problems was just bad cellar management and a revolving door of winemakers.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
I don't follow this as closely as I should, but I take it Chidiane is doing good work the Prince's old vineyards? Or is he still working out some of the kinks?
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chidaine's first vintage of vouvray was 2004 so my guess is the vineyards are the way he wants them.
the kinks to work out, as i understand it, were more purchasing the property. one of poiniatoski problems was just bad cellar management and a revolving door of winemakers.
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The vineyards were not in good shape. Cellar and winemaker were also problems.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
is he making the vouvray wines at clos baudoin or at his winery in montlouis?
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My understanding is that it is not currently permitted to make either wine outside of its AOC. So you need a winery (or space in one) for each.
 
thanks. i had heard the cellar there was a mess. didn't know the vineyards needed work. i think there was other complications in the sale too.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
thanks. i had heard the cellar there was a mess. didn't know the vineyards needed work. i think there was other complications in the sale too.
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I thought Chidaine leased for a year or two before purchase.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
thanks. i had heard the cellar there was a mess. didn't know the vineyards needed work. i think there was other complications in the sale too.
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I thought Chidaine leased for a year or two before purchase.
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He did, perhaps even three. Can't find an online reference right now, though.
 
When Franois Chidaine, a Montlouis vigneron, got wind of this it wasn't long before he and Poniatowski had struck a deal. As a result the Polish prince held onto the land, whilst the native of Montlouis tended the vines and made the wines. This was in 2002, and it was the beginning of a five-year arrangement which not only gave Chidaine access to some excellent sites in Vouvray, it gave him the option to purchase at the end, an opportunity which he could not refuse. In late 2006 the deal was struck, and today these vineyards are in the sole ownership of Chidaine.

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originally posted by Tristan Welles:
When Franois Chidaine, a Montlouis vigneron, got wind of this it wasn't long before he and Poniatowski had struck a deal. As a result the Polish prince held onto the land, whilst the native of Montlouis tended the vines and made the wines. This was in 2002, and it was the beginning of a five-year arrangement which not only gave Chidaine access to some excellent sites in Vouvray, it gave him the option to purchase at the end, an opportunity which he could not refuse. In late 2006 the deal was struck, and today these vineyards are in the sole ownership of Chidaine.

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Hilarious, thanks.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
anyone have the 05 habert recently?
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I actually just opened a bottle of this with Putnam and some other friends at the house of a fellow Wine Disorder lurker, Steve Kirsch, and it was in fine shape. I didn't take any notes, and it was one of 12 or so bottles that were opened, but by way of memory, the ample fruit and some of the residual sugar (the "flab?") were still there, starting to give way to more grass and mineral flavors. It isn't easy for me in my limited experience to say with certainty where it's at in its life cycle, but regardless, with just a little air, it was really quite elegant.
 
originally posted by evan hansen:
originally posted by scottreiner:
anyone have the 05 habert recently?
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I actually just opened a bottle of this with Putnam and some other friends at the house of a fellow Wine Disorder lurker, Steve Kirsch, and it was in fine shape. I didn't take any notes, and it was one of 12 or so bottles that were opened, but by way of memory, the ample fruit and some of the residual sugar (the "flab?") were still there, starting to give way to more grass and mineral flavors. It isn't easy for me in my limited experience to say with certainty where it's at in its life cycle, but regardless, with just a little air, it was really quite elegant.
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many thanks
 
originally posted by Dan McQ:
The '08 Clos Habert, as someone recently put it here, was fucking spectacular last night. OMG.
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I tried the 08 Choisilles this week. Really good too. A changing kaleidoscope of young Chenin aromas, flower, then fruit, then soil. It has a near perfect balance of sugar to acid for me as well. Maybe a touch less dense in size then the Clos Habert. Both are great.
 
More lasers.

What is it with the antiripeness reflex? On rare occasion, ripeness and sweetness mean good things for a wine's future. But it is not rare in the case of Loire chenin, least of all when we're discussing growers so good as Chidaine.

More Montlouis should be so "flabby". This is like whining about Coteaux du Loir being sweet. It's misplaced enthusiasm. Lean minerally wines are great. Wines don't need to be lean and minerally to be great, even if they come from places that produce that kind of wine well.

Yes, I know you know.
 
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