That old broad

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Anyway, thank goodness for Vouvray Petillant.
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Or the bzillion good champagne growers.
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Who charge $15-20 more a bottle than the Vouvray Petillant 2%. Yes.
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Tough to put them in the same class. Growers are worth their price and the Loire worth its. That said, if you're talking QPR, Foreau is tough to beat. Not to mention Limoux, Bisson's prosecco, Gelida cava, and the list goes on.

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The current release of the Krug MV tastes like it has higher dosage. They need age, yes, but now it always tastes a bit too lurid and forward at release. It's a shame because the run from '99-'03 or so represented some of the best NV/MV I've ever had.

If one is so inclined, the blend of '95 and '96 Krug is also very nice right now, and I think greater than the sum of its parts given how reticent the latter has been. Same level of alcohol intake, and a much more fun journey - what's not to like?

Had v. good V et S yesterday - the Fidele disgorged in '08 is now growing up nicely. VLM would hate it.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
To paraphrase a valued board member, this is a leisure board and not a court of law. I feel that I have hit a nerve, unintentionally, which is too bad, since I like and respect you. Reasonable people can disagree.
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Oh, come on! Save the melodrama for the Zola thread.

It's a leisure board, not a court of law, but I did want to know what you were talking about! And really no need to wring hands.
 
Sharon,

You can't win this kind of argument. Trust me, I know. If Ian says that's not what he meant, you should just take it as implying that he also didn't say it, even if he did.
 
Sharon asserted that you made this claim: "So the only bubbly you'll drink will be that of one or two Vouvray producers, on account of the price? By that logic, you could say that Marc Ollivier's wines cost far less than many other whites (including still Vouvray)." You denied that you said that. In defense of her claim, she quoted you to this effect:

"Or the bzillion good champagne growers.

Who charge $15-20 more a bottle than the Vouvray Petillant 2%. Yes."

And she said, rightly in my view, that this quotation showed that you had made the claim she said she did. You continued not to admit that, or so I read it.

If you did not continue not to admit that, I withdraw my original post. Otherwise, I was saying to Sharon that she had made her case but that that would not make you admit that, that your not admitting that was tantamount to withdrawing the claim that she had shown you had made and that you now asserted you had not, and that she should therefore give it up at that. I find this explanation as wordy as you probably do, but only because, really, what I had originally said wasn't that unclear.

And now I have done what I have warned Sharon against continuing to do.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
To paraphrase a valued board member, this is a leisure board and not a court of law. I feel that I have hit a nerve, unintentionally, which is too bad, since I like and respect you. Reasonable people can disagree.
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Oh, come on! Save the melodrama for the Zola thread.
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Or your hiatus thread. ;-)

Isn't it a well known fact that Sharon is a pawn of the Champagne industry?
 
Apropos Vouvray fizz, Astor's 15% sale today is for non-Champagne sparkling wine - there's some Foreau, FWIW.

I've mentioned sales like this a couple of times because I think some of the folks here might be interested, but if this is considered spamming, someone in the bureau please let me know.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Apropos Vouvray fizz, Astor's 15% sale today is for non-Champagne sparkling wine - there's some Foreau, FWIW.

I've mentioned sales like this a couple of times because I think some of the folks here might be interested, but if this is considered spamming, someone in the bureau please let me know.
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My only complaint is that you didn't alert us to the fact that they have the Hello Kitty, Ros Sparkling Brut on sale as well. Shame.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I dunno what the first vintage of Krug made under LVMH management was, but the purchase was in 1999, so there has probably been much less influence over the vintage Krugs released to date than one can expect to see going forward. I had '96 Krug last week and can't complain (though I admit I've never liked vintage Krug as much as, say, DP, Taittinger, Salon, Bollinger RD, etc. etc.). I have serious complaints, however, about the Krug Grande Cuvee, which has been only marginally more distinctive than NV Veuve ever since the gold label replaced the purple one under LVMH's management. I had always gotten a sense that Krug took a particular pride in the Grande Cuvee and treated it as something of a flagship even though it was a bit cheaper than the vintage. That's clearly not the case anymore. On the plus side, if you buy two bottles, they come in a designer straw hatbox.
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So, are you going to accept the challenge of Ray Tuppatsch on some other board or are you just talking trash?
 
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