Biodynamics is a Hoax

God is a hoax.

Aliens are a hoax.

String theory is a hoax.

Lots of people believe in or disbelieve these things.

Scientists don't agree on the causes for global warming and they use "science" to defend their claims.

For a long time bona fide medical practices involved bleedings and leaches.

Homosexuality was once (and horrifyingly still is in some circles) considered a "condition" that can be cured.

So I guess I don't really care if science can prove or disprove biodynamics. It seems pretty irrelevant to my enjoyment of the wines.
 
I agree with your sentiments, Nicolas, but a "hoax" is something devised in order to deceive. I think that the people championing God or believing in aliens, etc., are largely doing so in good faith. Therefore, I prefer the term "groundless belief" to the improper "hoax" (people mowing circles into a lawn and laughing up their sleeve when someone comes, pretexting it was aliens). Or if "groundless belief" is too much of a chomp, how about "hooey."
 
This is a complicated topic. There are grounds for believing in both god and aliens, which may coexist with scientific tenets. Folks interpret and weigh the evidence in different ways. But I agree with you on the use of the word 'hoax.'

Re: Nicolas's observation, de gustibus. Scientific insight can also enhance aesthetic qualities.

Is there a good listing of BD vintners in different countries, by the way? I'd like to try more of these wines.
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
God is a hoax.

Aliens are a hoax.

String theory is a hoax.

Lots of people believe in or disbelieve these things.

Scientists don't agree on the causes for global warming and they use "science" to defend their claims.

For a long time bona fide medical practices involved bleedings and leaches.

Homosexuality was once (and horrifyingly still is in some circles) considered a "condition" that can be cured.

So I guess I don't really care if science can prove or disprove biodynamics. It seems pretty irrelevant to my enjoyment of the wines.
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I used to believe that homosexuality was a hoax. Then, a couple of weeks ago, I actually had a date.
 
Ha ha, sound of two hands clapping.

I wonder if there's hoaxosexuality, in which the person (of either sex) pretends to be interested but is actually just bluffing.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
There are grounds for believing in both god and aliens
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Well, aliens: there is an extremely large number of star systems in the universe as we know it, some feel so many, that alien life forms must have developed and evolved somewhere. Closer to home, recent articles have been published by respected scientists inferring possible life on Saturn's moon Titan an the basis of the movement of hydrogen in its atmosphere.

God: there are a number of 'proofs,' whether or not you accept them. Billions of people have believed in one god or another, including scientists, based on their experience of life and observations of the world around them. You may not agree with their assessment of the evidence they are working with, but I don't think you can say their conclusion is groundless.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
There are grounds for believing in both god and aliens
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Well, aliens: there is an extremely large number of star systems in the universe as we know it, some feel so many, that alien life forms must have developed and evolved somewhere. Closer to home, recent articles have been published by respected scientists inferring possible life on Saturn's moon Titan an the basis of the movement of hydrogen in its atmosphere.

God: there are a number of 'proofs,' whether or not you accept them. Billions of people have believed in one god or another, including scientists, based on their experience of life and observations of the world around them. You may not agree with their assessment of the evidence they are working with, but I don't think you can say their conclusion is groundless.
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There are basically three proofs of a god. The argument from design has been as decisively disproven as one would need and no one serious holds it anymore. I would say that Kant also did the ontological argument in pretty thoroughly, though I understand there are still some contenders for it. The cosmological proof of god, being just a version of the argument from design, fails for the same reasons. I don't think anyone really does belief in a god based on grounds, and few argue that way anymore.

There is a good statistical argument for extraterrestrial life. Aliens (which implies that they visited here since they wouldn't be aliens on their own turf) is another story.
 
originally posted by Thor:
I wonder if there's hoaxosexuality, in which the person (of either sex) pretends to be interested but is actually just bluffing.
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Obviously.
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That's basically 99% of the dates I ever had. Interesting to find out I'm a hoaxosexual magnet.
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
God is a hoax. Aliens are a hoax. String theory is a hoax. Lots of people believe in or disbelieve these things. Scientists don't agree on the causes for global warming and they use "science" to defend their claims...

So I guess I don't really care if science can prove or disprove biodynamics. It seems pretty irrelevant to my enjoyment of the wines.
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How about closures? Do you care if scientific experiments (or "scientific" if you prefer) indicate that one or the other is superior for preserving what you enjoy about a particular wine?

Global warming isn't relevant to your enjoyment of any particular day at the beach, or even a whole summer of them. Does that mean that you don't care about whether global warming exists or why?

Just asking...
 
I think my point is more about how certain people invoke the name of "science" in order to repudiate or discredit ideas or methods or whatever that don't synch up with their world view.

No scientist (I presume)can prove that the Big Bang occurred, for example. It is a theory that has the most adherents within the scientific community at this point in time, therefore has the most credibility.

The argument that biodynamic farming is ineffective, or no more effective than organic farming, or a hoax is presented by people who have not experimented with the method themselves (my assumption).

If you gave me the testimony of ten vignerons who each employed biodynamic methods for a given period of time and they all said "it doesn't work" then I would be more inclined to think BD a hoax.

But just because a scientist says there is no proof for the effectiveness of the method doesn't seem to me a great argument against Biodynamics.
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
I think my point is more about how certain people invoke the name of "science" in order to repudiate or discredit ideas or methods or whatever that don't synch up with their world view.

No scientist (I presume)can prove that the Big Bang occurred, for example. It is a theory that has the most adherents within the scientific community at this point in time, therefore has the most credibility.

The argument that biodynamic farming is ineffective, or no more effective than organic farming, or a hoax is presented by people who have not experimented with the method themselves (my assumption).

If you gave me the testimony of ten vignerons who each employed biodynamic methods for a given period of time and they all said "it doesn't work" then I would be more inclined to think BD a hoax.

But just because a scientist says there is no proof for the effectiveness of the method doesn't seem to me a great argument against Biodynamics.
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I see the way our society pits the virgin birth, on one hand, against the 'big bang,' on the other, as the strongest proof yet of god's existence. With a sense of humor that juvenile, however, you'd expect to see her posting on Disorder.
 
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