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Lots of info on 2009 Bdx
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originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Lots of info on 2009 BdxNice detailed summary here. Wish I could bring myself to care more.
There are support groups.
You've already made the first step of admitting you have a problem. Congrats!
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
No one gets my Jo Landron pun. I must turn in my Thor epaulettes.
Most complicated trajectory for the double-buss, ever.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Nonetheless, I look forward, no later than this Monday, to reporting back to all here my extremely, extremely Bordeaux-attuned impressions of the following 2009s:
Chteau Coutet, Chteau D'Aiguilhe, Chteau Camensac, Chteau La Lagune, Chteau Sociando-Mallet, Demoiselle de Sociando Mallet, Chteau Fourcas Dupr, Chteau Brane-Cantenac, Baron de Brane, Chteau dIssan, Blason dIssan, Chteau du Tertre, Chteau Ferrire, Chteau Giscours, La Sirne de Giscours, Chteau La Gurgue, Chteau Chasse Spleen, Chteau Haut-Bages Libral, Chteau Carbonnieux, Chteau Malartic-Lagravire, Chteau Les Carmes Haut-Brion, Chteau Beauregard, Chteau La Conseillante, Duo de La Conseillante, Chteau Canon La Gaffeliere, Chteau Lafon Rochet, Chteau Le Crock, Chteau Beychevelle, Chteau Lagrange, Les Fiefs de Lagrange, Chteau Langoa Barton, Chteau Loville Barton, Chteau Loville Poyferr, Chteau Moulin Riche, Chteau Bastor-Lamontagne, Chteau Marquis de Terme.
And I promise I won't simply say "tastes like claret."
all those wines and none of them taste like claret? that is depressing.
Funnily enough, they all tasted like claret.
Except for Carbonnieux blanc, which tasted like a barrel that had been rubbed with Juicy Fruit.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
No additional information forthcoming on Le Crock?
lars makie
lars makie
It's not worth a hooey.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
No additional information forthcoming on Le Crock?
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Funnily enough, they all tasted like claret.
not sure if you are disappointing me or scaring me
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Today's claret, dearest .s.
Our brainpans evolve with the oak treatment and other fine modes of progress; we end up re-categorizing its taste and shelving older stuff in some backwater idea of what "claret" once could mean. Or at least, I do, once a year.
Do you taste young fare of that region? Thoughts?
Our brainpans evolve with the oak treatment and other fine modes of progress; we end up re-categorizing its taste and shelving older stuff in some backwater idea of what "claret" once could mean. Or at least, I do, once a year.
Do you taste young fare of that region? Thoughts?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
As fate would have it, at a well-heeled dinner party last night the waiters were serving from magnums of 1998 Chateau Le Crock. Would have never guessed Bordeaux. Lots of tar, a bit dilute, but good acidity, and no hint of modernity. But basically bland. When that ran out, they started serving a Quinta da Bacalhoa Cabernet Sauvignon, so sweet and new worldish that I realized how comparatively happy I had been.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Le Crock? OMG!
The boss overall (Spain, France, Switzerland) is Marie-Louise Banyols, a well-known taster (to Revue du Vin de France readers) and former sommelire, who is as much in love with 'natural wines' as Sibard or anyone on this bored. So no fear there: her heart and tastebuds are in the right place. OTOH, I think there might be a more mundane reason behind what does seem like slippage: the overall, lousy European economy (Spain in particular, of course), which may be hurting Lavinia's business fundamentals... I hope not, but that's the concern around here.originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
buying for Lavinia used to be done by Caves Aug's genial Marc Sibard (whence the curious similarity between their catalogues of yore, price being one good wedge to tell 'em apart); now I don't know who does, but I've been noticing increasing slippage, erosion, perhaps a coming landslide.
Victor,
It's been forever since I've been into a Lavinia in Spain, but I'd say the French selection at the Paris branch has collapsed. It used to thrill me, and now it's hard to find anything I want to buy. At a range of price levels.
And it's not just that I'm bitter and cynical these days.
It's been forever since I've been into a Lavinia in Spain, but I'd say the French selection at the Paris branch has collapsed. It used to thrill me, and now it's hard to find anything I want to buy. At a range of price levels.
And it's not just that I'm bitter and cynical these days.
originally posted by SFJoe: I'd say the French selection at the Paris branch has collapsed. It used to thrill me, and now it's hard to find anything I want to buy. At a range of price levels.
I can't track this stuff as closely as some (Sharon!) but my interest in Lavinia has also weakened since it first opened.
But in the past couple of years I remember their Loire section was still pretty stocked with multiple cuvees of Huet, Foreau, Angeli, Foucault, Breton, Puzelat, Belliviere. Is that no longer the case? Or is that just about the extent of their thrilling wines?
Not when I was last there. The handful of good wines seemed liked remnants.originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by SFJoe: I'd say the French selection at the Paris branch has collapsed. It used to thrill me, and now it's hard to find anything I want to buy. At a range of price levels.
I can't track this stuff as closely as some (Sharon!) but my interest in Lavinia has also weakened since it first opened.
But in the past couple of years I remember their Loire section was still pretty stocked with multiple cuvees of Huet, Foreau, Angeli, Foucault, Breton, Puzelat, Belliviere. Is that no longer the case? Or is that just about the extent of their thrilling wines?
Long gone the days of '73 CSH or '19 LHL, to take two real examples.
Not to mention, long gone the Angeli, Foucault, and anything from Breton, Puzelat or Belleviere that you wouldn't also find anywhere in town. But really not much of that caliber. More likely a lowly cuvee from Thierry Germain or Henri Marionnet.
The list you cite in multiple cuvees would provide me plenty of things to buy, of course. But those guys aren't there. They probably still have the current release Foreau demi-sec. But you don't make a pilgrimage and pay their prices for that. If you had to have lunch there, I'm sure you could find an acceptable bottle. But you would have a tough time persuading me to travel more than a couple of blocks to join you.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Long gone the days of '73 CSH or '19 LHL, to take two real examples.
Not to mention, long gone the Angeli, Foucault, and anything from Breton, Puzelat or Belleviere that you wouldn't also find anywhere in town. But really not much of that caliber. More likely a lowly cuvee from Thierry Germain or Henri Marionnet..
Oh well. It used to be so exciting back in 2003 to look at their selection. But I guess things don't stay the same forever. And it is true that many of these wines have spread across Paris since then. Which is why I haven't made a point of shopping there in a while.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
I largely agree with SFJoe, though they do still have a couple of Puzelat, Angli and Bellivire kicking around. But nothing like in past times.
In fact, one of the startling things is the dumbing-down. Just to take the case in point of Loire wines, they offer only low level (and sometimes made-for-Lavinia-only) cuves from vignerons such as Mosse ("Le Coin d'Hyrome"), Villemade ("Le Clos du Meunet" white and now red, too) or Breton ("L'paul-Jet" red and white). They have Huet-L'chansonne's non-vintage ptillant (the Huet ngoce) now instead of the domaine Huet. (Actually, it was fascinating, on that one: when they ran out of 2001 Domaine Huet Ptillant, they replaced stocks with NV Domaine Huet Ptillant, and now that with NV Huet-L'chansonne Ptillant).
They now stock Langlois-Chteau, etc.
In fact, one of the startling things is the dumbing-down. Just to take the case in point of Loire wines, they offer only low level (and sometimes made-for-Lavinia-only) cuves from vignerons such as Mosse ("Le Coin d'Hyrome"), Villemade ("Le Clos du Meunet" white and now red, too) or Breton ("L'paul-Jet" red and white). They have Huet-L'chansonne's non-vintage ptillant (the Huet ngoce) now instead of the domaine Huet. (Actually, it was fascinating, on that one: when they ran out of 2001 Domaine Huet Ptillant, they replaced stocks with NV Domaine Huet Ptillant, and now that with NV Huet-L'chansonne Ptillant).
They now stock Langlois-Chteau, etc.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Dunno. Filthy lucre? All the aforementioned Huets have cost the same, and I imagine the cost to them is not the same.
ETA: Their pricing has always been obscene, that said. Especially when much of their stock overlapped Aug and you could see in black and white the difference.
I also lament the decline of their champagne selection.
But that goes, as well, for the Burgundy region. There used to be things one would want to buy. Now it's all slammed with (in Beaujolais) Christophe Pacalet, or for the Cte d'Or, massively expensive crap, with the emphasis on "crap." Chanson? Louis Latour? Laroche Chablis? Along with a couple of obligatory natural winemakers, such as Marchal or Chassorney, but sold more expensively than elsewhere. Or pricing $$$ for someone like Roblet-Monnot, who'd be someone to consider at 2/3 the price. And lots of Jadot, which is available everywhere. And Leroy, which costs extortionary amounts for a village Montagny, or what have you.
ETA: Their pricing has always been obscene, that said. Especially when much of their stock overlapped Aug and you could see in black and white the difference.
I also lament the decline of their champagne selection.
But that goes, as well, for the Burgundy region. There used to be things one would want to buy. Now it's all slammed with (in Beaujolais) Christophe Pacalet, or for the Cte d'Or, massively expensive crap, with the emphasis on "crap." Chanson? Louis Latour? Laroche Chablis? Along with a couple of obligatory natural winemakers, such as Marchal or Chassorney, but sold more expensively than elsewhere. Or pricing $$$ for someone like Roblet-Monnot, who'd be someone to consider at 2/3 the price. And lots of Jadot, which is available everywhere. And Leroy, which costs extortionary amounts for a village Montagny, or what have you.