TN: Luneau-Papin Excelsior 02, Pinon NV Brut Petillant; Burgaud Cote Rotie 99

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Ian Fitzsimmons

Ian Fitzsimmons
Luneau-Papin 2002 Excelsior Clos des Noelles

Last had the Excelsior more than a year ago, when it tasted very tight. This bottle, by contrast, though still young, drank very nicely, with lemony-citric-sea breeze aromas, minerals, medium weight, and a silky texture. Integrated and balanced, with a patina. About $25 locally, 12% abv.

Pinon NV Brut Petillant (2007)

Not so great; a little bitter and unbalanced. Correct, I guess, for a Vouvray Petillant: decent bead and foam, okay fruit, but not impressive. So far, Ive had two bottles of this wine that tasted like this, and two that were delightful and much better. $18. (Leftovers the next day were better just too young now?)

Burgaud 1999 Cote Rotie

Dark red, no sign of age. Shut down and grouchy for a while. After several hours in a decanter, the wine lightened up to give aromas of cherry and a bit of oak, flavors follow the nose, with abundant furry tannins and ample acidity. Like W., this wine does not do nuance. Good with rack of lamb. $30 on release, 12.5% abv.
 
Burgaud 1999 Cote Rotie

Dark red, no sign of age. Shut down and grouchy for a while. After several hours in a decanter, the wine lightened up to give aromas of cherry and a bit of oak, flavors follow the nose, with abundant furry tannins and ample acidity. Like W., this wine does not do nuance. Good with rack of lamb. $30 on release, 12.5% abv.
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Thanks : i'll have to save my bottle or two of this. Burgaud can never be confused with perplexing us with complexity, but reliably old school. I'm a little surprised at oak showing though.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Burgaud 1999 Cote Rotie... $30 on release... This is the first CR I've had more than a store taste of, so I don't know what's normal for the genre.
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Yet you bought this 99 Burgaud on release and didn't open any during all these years?

What discipline!
 
87 was a light year in cote rotie. burgaud made nice wine. not gentaz nice, but nice.

foolishly, i bought wines from later years. i must have been flush at the time, cos i ended up with tons of that shit.

or maybe it just seems that way. the fatcave feels about burgaud the way i think about things that need a swift course of antibiotics.

which is to say that the bad news is that the wines never get beyond the clumsy, why the fuck do you use barriques with syrah?, uh, wtf???, please god let it rain on his plot... oh, i didn't? well fuck it then, i'll tell myself it's "good with food" because i don't want to admit i'm a moron.

friends don't let friends buy burgaud.

or mention it. even.

fb.
 
I also bought the 99 Burgaud on release. Started drinking it at age 10. I haven't had one in a year, but the first couple of bottle have been very nice and not grouchy at all.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
87 was a light year in cote rotie. burgaud made nice wine. not gentaz nice, but nice.

foolishly, i bought wines from later years. i must have been flush at the time, cos i ended up with tons of that shit.

or maybe it just seems that way. the fatcave feels about burgaud the way i think about things that need a swift course of antibiotics.

which is to say that the bad news is that the wines never get beyond the clumsy, why the fuck do you use barriques with syrah?, uh, wtf???, please god let it rain on his plot... oh, i didn't? well fuck it then, i'll tell myself it's "good with food" because i don't want to admit i'm a moron.

friends don't let friends buy burgaud.

or mention it. even.

fb.
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Hmmm, I sense some rather serious 'issues' here?

Perhaps you could extort their vines, ala DRC, as just recompence?
 
Burgaud uses barriques, but so does virtually everyone in Cte-Rtie (even Gentaz did) -- the only exceptions using foudres that I can think of offhand are Barge and Levet (Dervieux-Thaize used them, too, and Champet pre IRRC, but we're going back a way, there). A few use demi-muids (e.g., Rostaing, Jasmin, Faury, and I think Texier). Burgaud has 20% new, which is modest by C-R standards, although about the max that Syrah can take, IMO. FWIW, at least early on, he thought his 2000 better than his 1999, notwithstanding all the hype that 1999 was getting and all the crap that 2000 was getting.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I also bought the 99 Burgaud on release. Started drinking it at age 10. I haven't had one in a year, but the first couple of bottle have been very nice and not grouchy at all.
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Yes. Great stuff. Had my last bottle in 2008 and it was freestyling.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
TN: Luneau-Papin Excelsior 02, Pinon NV Brut Petillant; Burgaud Cote Rotie 99
Luneau-Papin 2002 Excelsior Clos des Noelles

Last had the Excelsior more than a year ago, when it tasted very tight. This bottle, by contrast, though still young, drank very nicely, with lemony-citric-sea breeze aromas, minerals, medium weight, and a silky texture. Integrated and balanced, with a patina. About $25 locally, 12% abv.
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Where are you, Ian? I'd be interested in a couple bottles of that Excelsior, if available- I remember you mentioning picking some up for cheap near Tampa. My folks have a place in Estero- might be worth a road-trip during my next visit if there's a place where I can load up on Real Wine to enjoy throughout the stay.
 
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