Thank you Joe Dressner for . . .

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Lyle Fass

Lyle Fass
. . .bringing not only drinkable Chilean wines into the USA but also fucking delicious Chilean wines.

2008 Clos Ouvert "Pais" is amazing wine from 100 year old vines made from the indigenous grape Pais. This has 15 days carbonic.

2008 Carmenere "Loncomilla" is carbonically macerated Carmenere from 20 year old vines and is a joyful, juicy, living, breathing wine.

Now...time to get the rest of the Chilean wine industry on track.

Both use minimal sulfur at bottling and vineyard work is organic. Un-fucking-real!

Also thanks Kevin and Denyse.
 
Pas, BTW, is the same grape as California's mission and Argentina's criolla chica. And they are all the same as the Canary Islands' listn prieto a.k.a. moscatel negro.
 
originally posted by VS:
Pas, BTW, is the same grape as California's mission and Argentina's criolla chica. And they are all the same as the Canary Islands' listn prieto a.k.a. moscatel negro.
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Never heard of any of these. New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VS:
Pas, BTW, is the same grape as California's mission and Argentina's criolla chica. And they are all the same as the Canary Islands' listn prieto a.k.a. moscatel negro.
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Never heard of any of these. New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
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You've never heard of California's mission grape?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VS:
Pas, BTW, is the same grape as California's mission and Argentina's criolla chica. And they are all the same as the Canary Islands' listn prieto a.k.a. moscatel negro.
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Never heard of any of these. New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
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You've never heard of California's mission grape?
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Nope. Is it that crazy Cucamonga stuff? Or am i just way off?
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VS:
Pas, BTW, is the same grape as California's mission and Argentina's criolla chica. And they are all the same as the Canary Islands' listn prieto a.k.a. moscatel negro.
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Never heard of any of these. New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
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You've never heard of California's mission grape?
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Nope. Is it that crazy Cucamonga stuff? Or am i just way off?
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It was the grape the Spanish introduced into California and was something like the only grape from which they made wine well into the 19th century. When Zorro drank wine, it was from the mission grape.
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
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New? Lyle, these are the oldest Vitis vinifera vines in the Americas, brought over by my fellow countrymen in the 16th century...

What's more fundamentalist than a return to the pristine, primitive roots?

So - pas should be an American wine fundamentalist's holy grail, IMHO.

Pinot noir, on the other hand, now - that's really brand new in the Americas...
 
originally posted by VS:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
New things are cool. Not so fundamental eh?
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New? Lyle, these are the oldest Vitis vinifera vines in the Americas, brought over by my fellow countrymen in the 16th century...

What's more fundamentalist than a return to the pristine, primitive roots?

So - pas should be an American wine fundamentalist's holy grail, IMHO.

Pinot noir, on the other hand, now - that's really brand new in the Americas...
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Insufferable, but I still love you.
 
Lyle, if you still have it, can you tell me more of what's on the label of the Carmenere? I found the Clos Ouvert at a store nearby (not the Pais but three other bottlings) but Loncomilla appears to be the name of an entire valley in Chile, so it may not be the producer's name. The LD website has nothing on it...
 
Oswaldo,

The Loncomilla as it was presented to me was the name of the cuvee, but it also looks like it is the name of a valley near the Rio Maule called the Rio Loncomilla.Could be both? I dunno.

It is Carmenere raised in older barrique for 15 months with 20 days of carbonic. 20 year old vines, south-east facing slopes. Absolutely delicious. Buy it and post a note.
 
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
Oswaldo,

The Loncomilla as it was presented to me was the name of the cuvee, but it also looks like it is the name of a valley near the Rio Maule called the Rio Loncomilla.Could be both? I dunno.

It is Carmenere raised in older barrique for 15 months with 20 days of carbonic. 20 year old vines, south-east facing slopes. Absolutely delicious. Buy it and post a note.
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I'll get the three Clos Ouverts and post on them but can't locate the Loncomilla based on those two words alone. Will write to the LD site asking if they know the full name... Thanks for finding a good Chilean, rarer than a unicorn.
 
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