Flor Festival

Some of this arrived today for the dinner:

Domaine Le Tour Vieille Memoire (dAutomnes) VdP de la Cte Vermeille (Collioure), which is a "vin blanc, sec, en levage d'abandon"

Unfortnately, I was only able to get one 500ml, but it will be there.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
the flor yeasts (which are sacc. cerevisiae)
Some authorities say S. beticus...?

This puts beticus as a subspecies of cerevisiae. I don't claim to be a yeast taxonomist so I still don't have a good feeling for what differentiates flor yeasts (from a flavor standpoint) from more regular S. Cerevisiae strains, and even more than that those in the jura from those in Spain or elsewhere. Let alone the vin jaune vs. the other fresher-style sous voile wines. Especially since I've never had a sip of any of the sort. It goes without saying that I'd love to drop on in to New York for the Flor show.

Interesting stuff!

Kevin
 
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
the flor yeasts (which are sacc. cerevisiae)
Some authorities say S. beticus...?

This puts beticus as a subspecies of cerevisiae. I don't claim to be a yeast taxonomist so I still don't have a good feeling for what differentiates flor yeasts (from a flavor standpoint) from more regular S. Cerevisiae strains, and even more than that those in the jura from those in Spain or elsewhere. Let alone the vin jaune vs. the other fresher-style sous voile wines. Especially since I've never had a sip of any of the sort. It goes without saying that I'd love to drop on in to New York for the Flor show.

Interesting stuff!

Kevin

Happy to save a seat for you if you can make it.
 
Can't follow your link, but I'm not prepared to contest anyone's yeast taxonomy, that's for sure.

I can't even persuade Victor that Amanita caesaria is restricted to Mediterranean Europe.
 
Process Biochemistry
Volume 45, Issue 4, April 2010, Pages 493-499

The Science direct link was exceedingly long.

"Kinetic study of the velum formation by Saccharomyces cerevisiae (beticus ssp.) during the biological aging of wines"

Patricio Gutirreza, Ana Roldn, a, , Ildefonso Caroa and Luis Preza

a Department of Chemical Engineering and Food Technology, Faculty of Sciences, University of Cadiz, Campus Ro San Pedro, P.O. Box 40, Puerto Real, 11510 Cdiz, Spain

Received 2 June 2009; revised 4 November 2009; accepted 8 November 2009. Available online 13 November 2009.

Abstract
The main objetive of this work was to evaluate and model the biofilm growth of the Saccharomyces cerevisiae (beticus ssp.) yeast during the biological aging of some types of wines. Thus, we have study how the biofilm growth, the glycerine is consumed and the acetaldehyde is produced, and how this phenomena are affected by the media ethanol concentration (017%, v/v), under experimental conditions similar to the industrial ones. In consequence, the growth of the S. cerevisiae (beticus ssp.) biofilm on the surface of the liquid was studied and kinetically modelled. Growth curves were fitted by using general kinetic models that include biomass and substrate inhibition factors. The alcohol content of the medium for the fastest growth rate of biofilm was found to be 4.3%, v/v. The proposed kinetic models for biomass growth, glycerine consumption and acetaldehyde formation fit well with the experimental data.

The growth kinetics of S. cerevisiae beticus ssp. in biofilm phase presents a typical discontinuous microbial growth profile (with lag, exponential and stationary phases). The glycerine consumption is directly related to the substrate concentrations (ethanol and glycerine). Finally, the rate of acetaldehyde formation suggests a model associated with the rate of microbial growth, which is modified by a substrate-dependent factor. The suggested model can be used for optimization and control processes of biological aging of wines.

Edit: Above Science Direct link fixed as well.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Kevin Roberts:
the flor yeasts (which are sacc. cerevisiae)
Some authorities say S. beticus...?

This puts beticus as a subspecies of cerevisiae. I don't claim to be a yeast taxonomist so I still don't have a good feeling for what differentiates flor yeasts (from a flavor standpoint) from more regular S. Cerevisiae strains, and even more than that those in the jura from those in Spain or elsewhere. Let alone the vin jaune vs. the other fresher-style sous voile wines. Especially since I've never had a sip of any of the sort. It goes without saying that I'd love to drop on in to New York for the Flor show.

Interesting stuff!

Kevin

Happy to save a seat for you if you can make it.

I won't be able to make it, but fully intend to come in for dinner when I'm in town in February. Would also potentially love to jeeb as well, but I'll put out a call when I know my schedule a bit more.

Cheers!

Kevin
 
1985 Contini Vernaccia di Oristano Riserva was added to the dinner lineup today.

Also, there will be a Ganevat Savagnin and a Ganevat Savagnin/Chardonnay blend, both sous voile.

Folks who will be attending the dinner have so far indicated that the following will be brought:

Berthet-Bondet Cotes du Jura 1998
Bornard Melon-Queue-Rouge 2006
Macle Chateau Chalon 2002
Camille Loye Arbois Chardonnay 1989
Laureano Serres flor-wine (vintage tbd)

If other folks who are coming would let me know what they intend to bring, that would be helpful for planning/preventing doubles.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Not voile, the Bornard, though.

Not according to multiple check ins with the importer and winemaker.

I'm mistaken too it seems. I recommend you look for an 05 les Marnes, The bottle I got to try was very good. I don't think much came in so it might be elusive.
 
Since this error has recurred over the last week, I wanted to head off the inevitable typo on the tasting sheet: Bornard.

HTH. HAND.

(The word I can't talk myself into spelling correctly is Pauillac.)
 
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