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Goodbye Lebron. Hello Frank.
- Thread starter Lyle Fass
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originally posted by David M. Bueker:
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
originally posted by Josh Beck:
FWIW, Here are the numbers on this beauty:
EtOH: 15.1%
pH: 3.89
TA: 8.10
Malic: .51
gluc/fruc: 3.34 (g/L)
VA: 1.81 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Boo-yah.
Wow. I am impressed. Are you this vindictive for any reason other than not finding the wine worthy of imbibing?
Given the level of vindictiveness often displayed here towards wines less fundamentally flawed, yet deemed less worthy of geek acceptance for stylistic reasons, I find this all rather mild.
Little Va and David, both of your responses are BS and show a deep misunderstanding of this bored and it's denizens.
Josh provides a fair analysis and backs up his sensory perceptions with actual chemical analysis. Hell, I'd love to be able to do that.
Despite popular and simplistic belief, there are no sacred cows on this bored and there is no NY fundamentalism. There are trends here just as everywhere (and the trends here have traveled elsewhere). However, here as much as or more than anywhere else are people who have been producing/selling/drinking wine with a critical eye for a long time and have seen trends come and go.
For my part, I've had one very good experience with Cornelissen courtesy of someone at either the orange wine dinner or the amphora dinner, but a pretty high failure rate otherwise (with a limited sample). Like Thor (god save me), I'll happily drink your bottles, but will spend my money elsewhere.
As Cory points out, the fact that Cornelissen may be lying about sulfur additions (not that I care, I like sulfur) only makes him even less trustworthy.
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VLM:
Cornelissen doesn't belong in the same paragraph as Lebron and Lillie.
Please enlighten me.
Lebron and Lillie are excellent at what they do. Cornelissen sometimes seems amateurish, but I don't care all that much.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Could not agree more. Very well put.
ETA: with previous. Damn posting in the meantime.
ETA: with previous. Damn posting in the meantime.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VLM:
Cornelissen doesn't belong in the same paragraph as Lebron and Lillie.
Please enlighten me.
Lebron and Lillie are excellent at what they do. Cornelissen sometimes seems amateurish, but I don't care all that much.
Enlightened.
one guy liked it, one guy hated it. Bottle variation? Taster variation? both? who cares.
I think we should take a vote on whether or not it's OK for people to post their opinions on wine. Or maybe we should all just go open some and relax.
Are there really any true absolutes? With wine in general - never mind "Natural" wine which introduces an additional degree of variation that even the most zealous advocate must admit.
In my view, the entire idea of the TN is BS. It's one person's take, at one time, of one bottle, in one circumstance. Even Allemand tastes terrible when you are constipated.
Put me down in the "like" category for most of Frank's wines, especially the white/orange ones - but there have been some seriously bad bottles too. My hit ratio is slightly better with Frank than with Dard & Ribo, but I've now had a good one of them too, so call me reformed.
I think we should take a vote on whether or not it's OK for people to post their opinions on wine. Or maybe we should all just go open some and relax.
Are there really any true absolutes? With wine in general - never mind "Natural" wine which introduces an additional degree of variation that even the most zealous advocate must admit.
In my view, the entire idea of the TN is BS. It's one person's take, at one time, of one bottle, in one circumstance. Even Allemand tastes terrible when you are constipated.
Put me down in the "like" category for most of Frank's wines, especially the white/orange ones - but there have been some seriously bad bottles too. My hit ratio is slightly better with Frank than with Dard & Ribo, but I've now had a good one of them too, so call me reformed.
Oh but there is. Only it's not of the violent kind - no whippings, no stonings. Just an intellectual thing. And it does show a tolerant streak in not kicking the odd Philistine (that's me) out. I provide the token Parkerized amusement.originally posted by VLM:
there is no NY fundamentalism.
originally posted by VS:
Oh but there is. Only it's not of the violent kind - no whippings, no stonings. Just an intellectual thing. And it does show a tolerant streak in not kicking the odd Philistine (that's me) out. I provide the token Parkerized amusement.originally posted by VLM:
there is no NY fundamentalism.
You also can poke fun at yourself and others in an endearing way. Takes skill.
originally posted by VS:
Oh but there is. Only it's not of the violent kind - no whippings, no stonings. Just an intellectual thing. And it does show a tolerant streak in not kicking the odd Philistine (that's me) out. I provide the token Parkerized amusement.originally posted by VLM:
there is no NY fundamentalism.
As represented by whom exactly? Not anyone that posts here. That is a tired canard.
There is most certainly a hipster or nothing thing in NY. I see it every time I'm at a tasting there. But that is distinct from this bored.
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by VS:
Oh but there is. Only it's not of the violent kind - no whippings, no stonings. Just an intellectual thing. And it does show a tolerant streak in not kicking the odd Philistine (that's me) out. I provide the token Parkerized amusement.originally posted by VLM:
there is no NY fundamentalism.
You also can poke fun at yourself and others in an endearing way. Takes skill.
Well, I find Victor's contributions to be quite valuable but I don't think that I would categorize him as easygoing and self-deprecating. I find him to have a remarkably thin skin and quite defensive to boot. That is entirely his right. I'm looking forward to being an old curmudgeon one day and Victor serves as part of my model for this.
They know who they are. Feel free not to be part of that clique.originally posted by VLM:
As represented by whom exactly?
They dislike purple wine, but love orange wine.
(Orange! My goodness, the Dutch color! I knew something was up.)
originally posted by VS:
They know who they are. Feel free not to be part of that clique.originally posted by VLM:
As represented by whom exactly?
They dislike purple wine, but love orange wine.
(Orange! My goodness, the Dutch color! I knew something was up.)
Dutch wine for new Amsterdam.
Victor, I proudly disassociate myself from any camp/clique/what-have-you.
I don't think this bored represents that clique.
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
Again, who are these people?
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
Again, who are these people?
Used to be you, but you've evolved.
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
All of us have our moments.
No one has done so - not Lyle, at least.originally posted by VLM:
I don't think that I would categorize him as easygoing and self-deprecating.
'Thin-skin VS' is my nickname in NY circles.
originally posted by SFJoe:
I have here in my hand a list...
Give it to the Politburo!!!
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
All of us have our moments.
I used to own the first two vintages of Araujo cabernet as well as the first 5 or 6 of Dalla Valle not to mention loads of modernist Barolo.
Some of the early thing I bought, I still love (Conterno, Chave).