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Goodbye Lebron. Hello Frank.
- Thread starter Lyle Fass
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originally posted by VLM: There is most certainly a hipster or nothing thing in NY. I see it every time I'm at a tasting there. But that is distinct from this bored.
And it is also distinct from all the other wine scenes in NY.
So I'm not sure what this hipster point really means.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
All of us have our moments.
I used to own the first two vintages of Araujo cabernet as well as the first 5 or 6 of Dalla Valle not to mention loads of modernist Barolo.
Some of the early thing I bought, I still love (Conterno, Chave).
I can vouch for that. I've seen a list too.
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM: There is most certainly a hipster or nothing thing in NY. I see it every time I'm at a tasting there. But that is distinct from this bored.
And it is also distinct from all the other wine scenes in NY.
So I'm not sure what this hipster point really means.
Nathan hates hipsters and will use any platform to excoriate them. I am OK with that.
originally posted by VS:
No one has done so - not Lyle, at least.originally posted by VLM:
I don't think that I would categorize him as easygoing and self-deprecating.
'Thin-skin VS' is my nickname in NY circles.
Victor has called me a wine fundamentalist, but I laugh it off. I'm not. Simple as that.
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM: There is most certainly a hipster or nothing thing in NY. I see it every time I'm at a tasting there. But that is distinct from this bored.
And it is also distinct from all the other wine scenes in NY.
So I'm not sure what this hipster point really means.
Nathan hates hipsters and will use any platform to excoriate them. I am OK with that.
Wrong again. I'm just a hater. Period.
Cory Cartwright
Cory Cartwright
It's true. I've seen how you treat the twins.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Lyle Fass:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by VLM: There is most certainly a hipster or nothing thing in NY. I see it every time I'm at a tasting there. But that is distinct from this bored.
And it is also distinct from all the other wine scenes in NY.
So I'm not sure what this hipster point really means.
Nathan hates hipsters and will use any platform to excoriate them. I am OK with that.
Wrong again. I'm just a hater. Period.
Saina Nieminen
Saina Nieminen
originally posted by Josh Beck:
FWIW, Here are the numbers on this beauty:
EtOH: 15.1%
pH: 3.89
TA: 8.10
Malic: .51
gluc/fruc: 3.34 (g/L)
VA: 1.81 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Interesting. I enjoyed a bottle of the Contadino 7 (2009) yesterday. It wasn't at all as freakish as the bottles some on the interwebs have seen. From this bottle it is very hard to see why Cornelissen is thought of as being on the wackier end of the "natural" spectrum. Our alcohol monopoly, Alko, does lab tests on all wines available here. In the 7 the VA is 0,23g/l.
You're on the fundamentalist fringe, Lyle - nearer reform than the real 100% dyed-in-the-wool NY purists are. But, as seen from this Philistine southwestern corner of Europe ("poor Spain, so far from God and so far from the United States!"), you're not quite at the point of shouting: "Free at last!" Not yet. Downtown New York's influence is overwhelming, any way you look at it...originally posted by Lyle Fass:
Victor has called me a wine fundamentalist, but I laugh it off. I'm not. Simple as that.
You'll need to swallow some more purple wine, 14.5% alc., without grimacing to prove that you've made it. ;-)
I think testing a lot of bottles would show that the VA is highly variable. I say this as someone who is unusually sensitive to the stuff, to the point where I find most sweet Tokaji and almost all Madeira undrinkable, and in fact most sweet red wines other than Port (though even then...) I cannot put in my mouth without effort. And I've enjoyed Cornelissen wines from time to time. Other times, not at all, and the VA has played a significant role.
originally posted by mlawton:
Even Allemand tastes terrible when you are constipated.
We can fix that, you know.
Heya folks,
Didn't mean to be rough w/r/t Lyle's experience. As I said I can't comment on the bottles others have opened.
But for me, I'm 0/4 and pretty fairly of the mind that the lunatic has no clothes in this situation ;)
I did, via a Foss Winescan, the same machine that ETS and VinQuiry would use if you sent samples to them. I can't guarantee anything but it's typically very dialed on dry reds.
Didn't mean to be rough w/r/t Lyle's experience. As I said I can't comment on the bottles others have opened.
But for me, I'm 0/4 and pretty fairly of the mind that the lunatic has no clothes in this situation ;)
Josh, who supplied the chemical analysis of the wine?
I did, via a Foss Winescan, the same machine that ETS and VinQuiry would use if you sent samples to them. I can't guarantee anything but it's typically very dialed on dry reds.
originally posted by Otto Nieminen: Our alcohol monopoly, Alko, does lab tests on all wines available here. In the 7 the VA is 0,23g/l.
.23 g/l is extremely low for any wine. I don't know that I've ever seen a finished wine with a VA below about .3
Are you certain it wasn't .23g / 100mL (VA is commonly expressed per 100mL as well as per L). In that case, a VA of 2.3 is extremely high but almost more believable based on what I've seen.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
originally posted by Otto Nieminen:
Interesting. I enjoyed a bottle of the Contadino 7 (2009) yesterday. It wasn't at all as freakish as the bottles some on the interwebs have seen. From this bottle it is very hard to see why Cornelissen is thought of as being on the wackier end of the "natural" spectrum. Our alcohol monopoly, Alko, does lab tests on all wines available here. In the 7 the VA is 0,23g/l.
This was basically my take on the Contadino 6. I expected a much more feral wine and instead got something quite easily enjoyable, vibrant, even elegant. My luck with one bottle perhaps....but also, didn't someone here on WD quote Frank as having recently said he's decided to take (for lack of his exact words) a cleaner approach to the Contadino's? Perhaps that meant a sulfite regimen, racking and/or other things...I forget.
Saina Nieminen
Saina Nieminen
originally posted by Josh Beck:
.23 g/l is extremely low for any wine. I don't know that I've ever seen a finished wine with a VA below about .3
Are you certain it wasn't .23g / 100mL (VA is commonly expressed per 100mL as well as per L). In that case, a VA of 2.3 is extremely high but almost more believable based on what I've seen.
0,23 g/l is how it was reported: liters not 100ml. Of course there is the possibility that Alko quoted the figures wrong. But more important is that organoleptically I found no VA problems with the 7. (Emoticon-laden side-comment: I do like Musar, though...)
They've been nonconforming (non-performing?) wines in many respects. Most wine is produced to make few if any demands on the consumer. FC's have required some accommodation to assist and coax them to reveal their potential. From what I've seen, few have been prepared or even realized the need to make those efforts. The earlier ones were extremely fragile and were greatly affected by how they were handled and serviced. Recent ones are seeming more conventional and more user friendly.
The Contadino is the cheapest and makes no claims or pretensions to seriousness. Once opened
it seems to run its course over about 4 hours. I've never not finished an opened FC wine because I had no expectation it would be any good the next day. If it sounds surprising that the bottles were always finished, it's at least partly because I took steps to get the most out of them(settling, decanting, temperature etc). Either I've been lucky or I've managed to make myself lucky. I find them to be at their best after about an hour of air and then for the next two hours. Yes there's VA but it always seems to recede to a tolerable level with air. I'm talking about Contadinos and Munjebels, I haven't opened a Magma yet.
I had a Munjebel 4 rosso recently that was respectable but it was showing more alcoholic heat than the last one I had last fall which was really good.
The Contadino is the cheapest and makes no claims or pretensions to seriousness. Once opened
it seems to run its course over about 4 hours. I've never not finished an opened FC wine because I had no expectation it would be any good the next day. If it sounds surprising that the bottles were always finished, it's at least partly because I took steps to get the most out of them(settling, decanting, temperature etc). Either I've been lucky or I've managed to make myself lucky. I find them to be at their best after about an hour of air and then for the next two hours. Yes there's VA but it always seems to recede to a tolerable level with air. I'm talking about Contadinos and Munjebels, I haven't opened a Magma yet.
I had a Munjebel 4 rosso recently that was respectable but it was showing more alcoholic heat than the last one I had last fall which was really good.