CWD: 2001 Rotllan Torra Amadis

Elevation is important in these very warm and dry climates, not for the sake of it, but because it allows you to make wines with better delineation (some would even say an inkling of elegance), a little less explosiveness, and therefore a better chance to convey the terroir characteristics that are obliterated in the diffuse jamminess of other wines from the south.

The elevation, with the added effect of the very dry air, helps create quasi-Saharan day-night temperature differences of between 20 and 25C (this past night, from 37C to 15C in my part of Manchuela). Vines and grapes react by preserving acidity and aromas and developing polyphenols, while tannins begin their polymerization right in the grape, and the growing season is prolonged: alcoholic maturity does not jump the gun on phenolic maturity (or, at least, it doesn't jump it by a week, let's face it).

At sea level (Chteauneuf-du-Pape), only sea breezes help create the day-night difference, which right now is about 12C instead of the 20-25 level on the high Spanish plateau. Priorat is somewhere in between: only 20 miles from the Mediterranean, it's very hilly and uneven. In the south, Bellmunt del Priorat has an altitude of only 600 feet; in the north, La Morera del Montsant is at 2,300 feet. Vineyard location is crucial. But another important factor is the poor, deep soil of 'llicorella' (decomposed brown schist) on the hillsides, where roots routinely penetrate up to 50 feet, imparting a mineral character to the grapes and musts that is matched in few other places.

Further south where I am, all of our vineyards are between 2,500 and 3,600 feet high, and I think this is a crucial factor for us, together with the organically poor clay-limestone soils.

All over eastern Spain, there are growers who are into biodynamie, or 'natural wines', or simply wary of excesses in the cellar, who manage interesting wines that do reflect the terroir while not aping cool climate wines through such gimmicks as minimal maceration or heavy acidification.

Some of the producers I appreciate in this part of Spain include:

In Peneds, Can Rfols dels Caus.

In Priorat, Terroir al Lmit, Alvaro Palacios, Trio Infernal, Mas Alta, Clos i Terrasses (Clos Erasmus), Clos Mogador, Viedos de Ithaca, Sa del Coster, Celler de l'Encastell, Mas de les Pereres (Nunci).

In Montsant, Spectacle Vins (Espectacle), Celler de Capanes (Cabrida).

In Terra Alta, Vins Piol, Brbara Fors, Laureano Serres (his radical rejection of SO2 sometimes leads to the utter oxidation of his wines, but they have personality and he should be respected for being true to his ideas).

In Utiel-Requena, Mustiguillo.

In Manchuela, Ponce, Pago Alto Landn (Altolandn, L'me).

In Valencia, Rafael Cambra, Enguera, Celler del Roure, Bernab Navarro.

In Alicante, Heretat de Cesilia, Felipe Gutirrez de la Vega, Enrique Mendoza (Estrecho), Laderas de Pinoso (El Sequ), Primitivo Quiles.

In Jumilla, Casa Castillo (Pie Franco), Juan Gil.

In Yecla, Castao (the single-vineyard wines only; huge estate making a lot of supermarket wine...)
 
Victor, I recently had the '07 Finca Dofi (well, tonight, inspired by your post) and found it very difficult to drink. Similarly I have had huge issues with Eben Sadie's South African wines (back in 2008 when I was in the country), although I have yet to taste the Dits del Terra wines. Some part of it is the alcohol level, but I also found them quite problematic from a textural perspective.
 
Victor, fear not, somewhere, somehow, there is a benefit to being the Rodney Dangerfield of WD....

I can easily dredge up memories of grand Clos Mogador bottles I've had.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Victor, I recently had the '07 Finca Dofi (well, tonight, inspired by your post) and found it very difficult to drink. Similarly I have had huge issues with Eben Sadie's South African wines (back in 2008 when I was in the country), although I have yet to taste the Dits del Terra wines. Some part of it is the alcohol level, but I also found them quite problematic from a textural perspective.
What does "difficult to drink" mean? Tannic, unyielding, forbidding? The oak not yet integrated enough? Finca Dof is a total baby at age three in every vintage - and that's even more the case in a great vintage. It's very far from being ready. (Heck, I tasted the 2001 the other day and it's hardly budged in nine years. Some Priorats DO age...)

I'm sure you'd find 2007 Haut-Brion difficult to drink. Mediterranean wines are not necessarily wines that you can happily slurp when they're very young. Particularly those, like Daumas Gassac or indeed Dof, made with blends that need a long time of bottle aging to tame those tannins.

Or maybe you simply don't like purple wines from harsh hot climates. That's perfectly OK.

(BTW - Dits del Terra is just one of the wines made by Eben at Terroir al Lmit.)
 
You really had problems with the Sadie Family wines' textures? Sure, they were texturally lavish and even extravagant, but not in a spoofy Bordeaux/New World red sort of way...they were way more tactile than that, and the white was very Rhne blanc-ish in texture. As noted just above, if you just don't like that sort of thing, then you don't. But I found it difficult to criticize those wines, even if they weren't what I'd choose to drink all that often.
 
Skipping topics, I've also had some thought provoking wines from Vins Pinol, though, like Priorat, I as yet do not understand the massively multiple grape choices going into the wines.....pinot, for example. Not poo pooing it...just don't yet understand it.
 
Victor, you're a fountain of knowledge, but you're not the only person on the planet who makes wine, drinks wine or has opinions, so stop acting like you're the only one with any background knowledge or like you have everything right and everyone else is wrong.

Finca Dofi is, for my tastes, a lousy wine. I've had the 98,99,00,01,04 and 05. Les Terrasses is worse. I've had the 00,01,04,05 and 06 Les Terrasses. Should I try more? I typically find the wines very extracted and aromatically lacking. This is especially apparent drinking them in Priorat line ups.

I've had multiple vintages of all three Mas Alta wines that I know about. I've found every one to be hot and oaky.

I've had four Terroir al Limit wines from 04-06. A couple bottles of the Dits and some tastes of others. I've found every one to be hot and oaky.

I've had probably ten different Vall Llach wines. I have had a couple of good bottles but a little big for me, and a lot of really too big bottles.

To be clear, I have had some really excellent Priorat wines. I've got about 7 cases of Priorat in the cellar at the moment. I still am a big fan of many producers and wines there. I've visited the region and many producers and was really taken and impressed with the terroir but I still think that the wines that the vast majority make are a huge disservice to some of the most amazing terroir on earth.

Regarding your point of better warm climate wine makers not over doing it, I agree. We just have wildly different opinions of what over doing it means.

So I expressed my opinion of the wines and you told me that I have no ability to taste. You stay classy.
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:
so stop acting like you're the only one with any background knowledge or like you have everything right and everyone else is wrong.
????????

Terroir al Lmit, "every one hot and oaky"?

Wow. Wow. Wow.

You did taste them? I couldn't believe it at first. But now you forcefully confirm it. I can only reach one conclusion, therefore: You can't taste. Sorry to say this so classlessly.
 
Victor - I found the Finca Dofi syrupy. My Asian palate can't take too much.

Thor - yes. I found the wines an odd mix of round and rough. I think I tried those wines at your urging...
 
Yixin...that may be, but I tried them at your urging (I still have the email: Sadie Family and The Observatory were your key suggestions), so apparently there's a circle of blame at work.
 
All that grenache red fruit, all that cabernet pepper, and the result is syrupy? Well, hey, I guess we all have a different experience with syrup...

On another suject, I prefer Eben's wines from Priorat to those from Swartland - which leads me to believe that I like the Priorat terroir better than the Swartland terroir.
 
Circle of Blame...could be a good band name?

PS - Victor (and/or Josh) uhm some people do have different palate sensitivities. Victor, I suspect, enjoys oak within balance in a wine, Josh may only enjoy it as flooring material.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Yixin...that may be, but I tried them at your urging (I still have the email: Sadie Family and The Observatory were your key suggestions), so apparently there's a circle of blame at work.

That is funny. I sent you to Observatory as well? WTF?

I'm sorry - I'll buy you a drink next time.
 
That is funny. I sent you to Observatory as well? WTF?
Well, I never encountered the wines and never got to visit, so you're safe on that score.

In any case, I liked the Sadie wines I tried down there (didn't visit -- way off our itinerary -- but did manage to snag them in shops and at our lodge in Kruger), and texture that didn't come from kludgy use of makeup was one of the reasons.

I'm sorry - I'll buy you a drink next time.
Only if I get to pick. This white Burgundy/Australian grenache thing of yours can throw a guy...
 
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