Reunion d'Orange

Thanks for the notes. Tough work!

Interesting to see where we agree and disagree. Such are people's impressions.

2008 Camillo Donati Malvasia Frizzante Secco, Emilia - unattractive nose of shredded lettuce and salad dressing; improves with air but still (0)
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I liked this a fair bit as I found it fairly fruity and luscious and easy. Especially compared to the first few wines that were more reserved. Not sure what the shredded lettuce may have been.

2007 Il Tufiello "Don Chisciotte" Fiano, Campania - subtle to the point of being tame, there's a wan kirschy note but not much else (0)
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Similarly, I didn't find this tame at all. Fruity and easy, if not complex. Although it may have seemed so friendly to me because it was served next to that Gaia Fiano brett bomb.

2006 Paolo Bea "Arboreus", Umbria - after those last two wines this one is a "yahbut" (0)

2004 Paolo Bea "Arboreus", Umbria - silky, complex, clear notes of plum and apricot (+)
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I agree that the Santa Chiara was the most compelling of the Bea's, but I thought the 06 Arboreus was much more interesting than the 04 Arboreus. I saved both wines for as long as I could (maybe 45-60 minutes after they were poured) and the 04 never pleased me. Even though that was one of my contributions, it remained too pungent (in a bad way). The 06 on the other hand smoothed out into something serviceable with food. But still did not justify the pricetag IMHO.

2007 Massa Vecchia "Ariento" Bianco, Toscana - tangy but ordinary (0)
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I liked this quite a bit but can't be relied upon for accurate notes. I wrote something down about 'broth' and 'iced tea'. If they were cheaper I would buy them for more extensive tasting at home.

2005 Vodopivec Vitovska Classica, Friuli - slightly too bitter (0)
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I liked this a lot. But it was getting late so that's pretty much all I know :)

2005 Louis Magnin Grand Orgue Chignin-Bergeron, Savoie - hey, this isn't orange!, it's ok... I guess (0)
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Sorry about that! I saw on their website that it sees some skin contact, or at least is slowly pressed (they don't mention the 'days on the skin' or anything like that). So I figured it could be worth an interesting whirl. But of course it wasn't really in the right crowd for being appreciated. It's a Dressner wine so I'm sure Joe knows the details.

2008 Laureano Serres Vinyes Arrancades Catalunya - salty, smoky, tannins bite way at the end
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This was fun and easy after the Gravner, Radikon, Vodopevic wines. But I thought it was nice easygoing pleasure, and easy to buy at $20ish.

the crowd clamored for amari...

Amaro S. Maria al Monte - this is my ideal of amaro: the herbs, the roots, the brewed flavor tug my attention back and forth

Amaro del Capo - a little more relaxing than the al Monte: less intense roots and more sweet fruit
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I don't remember the names. But the first one I drank was a lot more pleasing than the second!

Fun fun fun.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Frank Cornelissen Munjebel Bianco 4, Sicilia - similar nose but has settled into a more pit fruit scent, lots of umami on the palate, this had been one of my favorites at Orange I (++)

2006 Dettori Bianco, Sardegna - Levi says this is vermentino rasied in acacia; flowers and green grapes, nice grip; some people say the alcohol sticks out (+)

2008 Monastero Suore Cistercensi "Rusticum", Lazio - tangy, figgy, rich and viscous and masculine (++)

2008 Paolo Bea "Santa Chiara, Vigneto Pagliaro", Umbria - floral, slutty, very popular at the table (++)

2004 Paolo Bea "Arboreus", Umbria - silky, complex, clear notes of plum and apricot (+)

2007 Massa Vecchia Bianco, Toscana - intense nose, roses and that powdered-sugar smell of loukoum, bright acidity, the 2005 was good at Orange I too (++)

2008 Ca' de Noci "Notte di Luna", Emilia - buttery apricots, suave, resembles the 2006 more than the 2007 (+)

2004 Radikon "Jakot", Friuli - face-powder and raspberry, warming, seamless wine, I have always liked this one (++)

Zidarich Prulke, Friuli - another well-made wine, very tannic, interesting (+)

2005 Vodopivec Vitovska Classica, Friuli - slightly too bitter (0)

2006 Vodopivec "Amphora" Vitovska, Friuli - bitterness buffered by rich texture (+)

2007 Movia "Lunar", Brda, Slovenia - briny and tangy, nicely done (++)
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Jeff, thanks for the notes. From Orange I and Amphora I, we seem to have liked the same wines and they seemed to have shown well again this time.

I had similar issues with the Biancara wines at the most recent Dressner tasting. It bummed me out because I was a big fan.

I've also been similarly non-plussed with Gravner. I'll drink them happily, but on someone else's dime.

I think that Massa Vecchia may be a bit under-appreciated. I find the wines to be consistently excellent.

I have really liked every Vodopivec I've tried. As I've said previously, the Lunar was the wine that surprised me most when I had it. Glad to hear it is still excellent.
 
originally posted by VLM:
I have really liked every Vodopivec I've tried.
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It was very interesting to have these wines side by side. It heightens the differences between them.

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And, just in case we have not said it enough: Thank you, Levi, for organizing and hosting the event.
 
Thanks, Jeff.

I really appreciate everyone coming, and I personally had a great time.

I thought the Vodopivec duo was the most clear cut and interesting side by side of the evening. Same grape, same place, same winemaker, one with amphora and one without. I thought the textural differences really showed what happens when you put amphora in the mix. It was reminiscent of the Gravner Ribolla 2000 and 2001 side by side at Orange I.

Just to note that the Gravner 2002 was not opened 4 hours ahead. It didn't arrive until the dinner started, as it was a contribution. The 2004s were opened and double decanted 4 hours ahead, though. I thought they might have entered shutdown at the time they were served, which definitely wasn't my intention, but there you go. I think the reference point Gravner vintage is really 2001 at this point. If the 2004s make that kind of impression, it won't be for a long time.

I actually don't quite grasp all the love for Lunar. I think it is a little simple, and a little sweet. That's why I tend to serve it basically last.

For me the hors classe producers in the style are Paolo Bea (own label), Gravner, Radikon, Vodopivec, and Massa Vecchia. That is to strictly speak of my own opinion, which no one is expected to share. I think bottles from other producers can show fantastically at times, but the level of quality across the board is not the same. I think that if I were to do another dinner any time soon, I would specifically focus in on those producers and flesh out the lineup with more depth from them.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Thanks, Jeff.

I think the reference point Gravner vintage is really 2001 at this point. If the 2004s make that kind of impression, it won't be for a long time.
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I agree on 2001 and it is my reference for Radikon as well.

I actually don't quite grasp all the love for Lunar. I think it is a little simple, and a little sweet. That's why I tend to serve it basically last.

For me the hors classe producers in the style are Paolo Bea (own label), Gravner, Radikon, Vodopivec, and Massa Vecchia. That is to strictly speak of my own opinion, which no one is expected to share. I think bottles from other producers can show fantastically at times, but the level of quality across the board is not the same. I think that if I were to do another dinner any time soon, I would specifically focus in on those producers and flesh out the lineup with more depth from them.
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I totally agree with that grouping, albeit with less experience.

I want to try some more Lunar to see if the experience holds up.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Paolo Bea (own label), Gravner, Radikon, Vodopivec, and Massa Vecchia...I would specifically focus in on those producers and flesh out the lineup with more depth from them.
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That wouldn't suck.
 
We had a great time and I want to congratulate Levi for a very well run tasting and dinner. It's not easy to space that many wines out properly in one evening. I've tried to decipher my own notes since arriving back here in Napa.
Frank Cornelissen 4 ++
08 Panevino Alvas Sardegna ++
08 Monastero suore Cistercenni +
08 Monastero " Rusticum +
Paolo Bea all three pleasant + ot ++
Massa Vechia 07 ++ Bianco
" " 07 ++ Vermentino
Both Radikons ++
06 Vodopivec Amphora ++
Movia 07 Lunar ++ and a half
I think I can translate a few more but for now got to go.
 
I really loved the Vodopivec wines as well and certainly the side by side was telling and interesting. Does anyone know details about the amphorae that they use. Size? Bees wax or epoxy or neither or something else? Underground or above?
 
originally posted by Zev Rovine:
I really loved the Vodopivec wines as well and certainly the side by side was telling and interesting. Does anyone know details about the amphorae that they use. Size? Bees wax or epoxy or neither or something else? Underground or above?
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originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Paolo Bea (own label), Gravner, Radikon, Vodopivec, and Massa Vecchia...I would specifically focus in on those producers and flesh out the lineup with more depth from them.
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That wouldn't suck.
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fer rizzle!
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
NV Costadila Prosecco, Veneto - first parcel... very yellow, tastes a lot like hard cider (-)

NV Costadila Prosecco, Veneto - second parcel... pale, interesting mingling of typical prosecco flavors with some cidery notes, slightly spirity (0)
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Just picked up a bottle of this tonight (Hooray! LDM Italians are finally trickling into Chicago). So, how can one tell which parcel a particular bottle may be from?
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
LDM hasn't shipped any second parcel yet, so far as I know.
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Most likely I have the first parcel then. Thanks for the info guys. In case anyone with the numbers per parcel is to weigh in, my bottle says ITV11799.

I can't wait til I shake this cold to get into this here thing.
 
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