Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
And you might want to invest in some as well.
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if someone offers you some La Bota 20 Manzanilla Pasada, say yes
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Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Tempting on your recommendation, but costly.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
The problem is that so many of the people I drink with these days don't like Sherry so I have no occasion to open bottles.
Sad, but true.
Sad, but true.
How does this keep once it is open?
How does it keep in bottle, unopened?
With Cigarerra Manzanilla, Andre recommends drinking withing a few months of purchase, the sooner the better and to finish an open bottle within a few days.
It would seem that for the Pasada, things might be different.
How does it keep in bottle, unopened?
With Cigarerra Manzanilla, Andre recommends drinking withing a few months of purchase, the sooner the better and to finish an open bottle within a few days.
It would seem that for the Pasada, things might be different.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by VS:
A very great wine - the price seems modest to me for so much class.
America is a classless society, don't forget.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by VLM:
How does this keep once it is open?
How does it keep in bottle, unopened?
With Cigarerra Manzanilla, Andre recommends drinking withing a few months of purchase, the sooner the better and to finish an open bottle within a few days.
It would seem that for the Pasada, things might be different.
I'm doing the experiment right now with an open bottle. My guess is that when I return to it it will shine, as it got more layered over the hour I was drinking it yesterday.
I don't think La Cigarerra and La Bota 20 have much in common. The Pasada is (as I am sure you know) basically a Manzanilla Amontillado. Anyway, I don't see a few months deadline here.
Also, this is packed in 500ml, which should make finishing an open bottle not that difficult.
I think it is a small price to pay for some of the finest wines being released anywhere today, but that is just me. The tight allocations now in effect in the NY market would indicate that it doesn't matter what I think, though, and that Equipo Navazos doesn't need my help.
I really think this is an amazing time to be drinking sherry, what with Bodegas Tradicion also on the scene.
I always wonder what kinds of sherry these American sherry haters have experienced to become like that - an incomprehensible taste in anyone who's beyond the basic newbie level in wine appreciation, IMHO, unless all they know is Bristol Cream and domestic sweet 'sherry'...originally posted by Jay Miller:
The problem is that so many of the people I drink with these days don't like Sherry so I have no occasion to open bottles.
Sad, but true.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Yixin:
Sherry was what got me into wine in the first place.
Let's not go blaming sherry for that too.
Lou Kessler
Lou Kessler
Older, uptight, single, older women, that's how many Americans visualize what kind of people drink sherry. It's a stereotype that has been promoted in movies tv etc.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I experimented with Sherries a few years ago because of discussions like this one. I liked the flavors, but had a hard time dealing with the high abv in the context of a meal. Since - I thought, at least - fino and Manzanilla needed to be drunk up once opened, my wife and I were in the position of polishing off a 15% bottle in an evening, which is too much for us to enjoy, generally speaking. Halves and 500's would be practical, though.
On price, I just don't buy in that range. If wine is your living, in one way or another, then the cost picture changes radically, naturally.
On price, I just don't buy in that range. If wine is your living, in one way or another, then the cost picture changes radically, naturally.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
Showing your age no doubt.originally posted by Lou Kessler:
SherryOlder, uptight, single, older women, that's how many Americans visualize what kind of people drink sherry. It's a stereotype that has been promoted in movies tv etc.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I experimented with Sherries a few years ago because of discussions like this one. I liked the flavors, but had a hard time dealing with the high abv in the context of a meal. Since - I thought, at least - fino and Manzanilla needed to be drunk up once opened, my wife and I were in the position of polishing off a 15% bottle in an evening, which is too much for us to enjoy, generally speaking. Halves and 500's would be practical, though.
On price, I just don't buy in that range. If wine is your living, in one way or another, then the cost picture changes radically, naturally.
Ian, it's the thread title...the thread title. Never mind the recc to buy.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
See BG and Peter's observations to be disabused of this notion. And I can't imagine you have a problem finishing a bit of sherry over a few days.originally posted by VLM:
How does this keep once it is open?
How does it keep in bottle, unopened?
With Cigarerra Manzanilla, Andre recommends drinking withing a few months of purchase, the sooner the better and to finish an open bottle within a few days.
It would seem that for the Pasada, things might be different.
Bad enough you don't update your own blog, but keep up with those who do.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I experimented with Sherries a few years ago because of discussions like this one. I liked the flavors, but had a hard time dealing with the high abv in the context of a meal. Since - I thought, at least - fino and Manzanilla needed to be drunk up once opened, my wife and I were in the position of polishing off a 15% bottle in an evening, which is too much for us to enjoy, generally speaking. Halves and 500's would be practical, though.
On price, I just don't buy in that range. If wine is your living, in one way or another, then the cost picture changes radically, naturally.
Certainly, I take both your points. That being said, I don't really see the issue about having to drink a full 750ml of high alcohol beverage in an evening as a reality. El Maestro Sierra, La Cigarrera, Hidalgo (La Gitana), Gutierrez Colosia, Bodegas Argueso, Toro Albala, Pedro Romero, Valdespino, and others bottle a Fino or Manzanilla in 375ml or 500ml. That is some good stuff to choose from in small format right there. Also, I think the need to drink everything in an entire night is overstated. A good friend of mine likes his Pedro Romero "Aurora" on day three from the refrigerator. That's when he thinks it shows at its best.
Also, the buy in for a number of these same producers is quite low. A 500ml of that Pedro Romero "Aurora" would run about $12/btl at retail. A 375ml of El Maestro Sierra Fino is about $16/btl. La Cigarrera Manzanilla, Toro Albala Fino, and Bodegas Argueso Manzanilla in 375ml are all about $12/btl. Gutierrez Colosia Fino is $13 or $14/btl. And these are all good wines.
I understand why you wouldn't want to buy a 750ml bottle of Equipo Navazos at retail for $60, but then that is where restaurants come in. We serve 2 Equipo Navazos wines by the glass at a place I am familiar with. One is $9/glass, the other is $10/glass. Honestly, that seems resonable to me, for again, what I think to be some of the finest wines available from anywhere in the world at the moment.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
Shhh, Cru Beajolais was considered a great bargain and now see what's happened. Of course oxidized wines can separate the ____ from the ___.originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I experimented with Sherries a few years ago because of discussions like this one. I liked the flavors, but had a hard time dealing with the high abv in the context of a meal. Since - I thought, at least - fino and Manzanilla needed to be drunk up once opened, my wife and I were in the position of polishing off a 15% bottle in an evening, which is too much for us to enjoy, generally speaking. Halves and 500's would be practical, though.
On price, I just don't buy in that range. If wine is your living, in one way or another, then the cost picture changes radically, naturally.
Certainly, I take both your points. That being said, I don't really see the issue about having to drink a full 750ml of high alcohol beverage in an evening as a reality. El Maestro Sierra, La Cigarrera, Hidalgo (La Gitana), Gutierrez Colosia, Bodegas Argueso, Toro Albala, Pedro Romero, Valdespino, and others bottle a Fino or Manzanilla in 375ml or 500ml. That is some good stuff to choose from in small format right there. Also, I think the need to drink everything in an entire night is overstated. A good friend of mine likes his Pedro Romero "Aurora" on day three from the refrigerator. That's when he thinks it shows at its best.
Also, the buy in for a number of these same producers is quite low. A 500ml of that Pedro Romero "Aurora" would run about $12/btl at retail. A 375ml of El Maestro Sierra Fino is about $16/btl. La Cigarrera Manzanilla, Toro Albala Fino, and Bodegas Argueso Manzanilla in 375ml are all about $12/btl. Gutierrez Colosia Fino is $13 or $14/btl. And these are all good wines.
I understand why you wouldn't want to buy a 750ml bottle of Equipo Navazos at retail for $60, but then that is where restaurants come in. We serve 2 Equipo Navazos wines by the glass at a place I am familiar with. One is $9/glass, the other is $10/glass. Honestly, that sounds seems resonable to me, for again, what I think to be some of the finest wines available from anywhere in the world at the moment.