2009 Clos de la Roilette Fleurie

come to think of it, Sharon is right.
Why are we worried about 09 Beaujolais allocations, when there is all this 09 Gamay from CRB available.
 
Why are we worried at all. Do people remember when in fall 2002, for about 6 months, German Riesling was fashionable? Now you can find multiple vintages of Donnhoff, Willi Schaefer, Prum, what have you just about anywhere.

Beaujolais will remain popular until sometime next year. Then it will quietly drop off the radar again.
 
you mean, it is now safe to discuss 09 bordeaux futures?

Sharon never said yawn, btw
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Why are we worried at all. Do people remember when in fall 2002, for about 6 months, German Riesling was fashionable? Now you can find multiple vintages of Donnhoff, Willi Schaefer, Prum, what have you just about anywhere.
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But there was a permanent price jump.

Plus Hans Gunter Schwarz retired after that vintage. Surely you're not claiming that that was merely coincidence? It was all part of a Chirac-led conspiracy to make German wines less competitive.
 
The price jump (other than three or four producers) was almost entirely Euro-driven. Not to mention that the prices pre-2001 were (and frequently still are) unsustainable if the genre is to survive.

Hans Gunter Schwarz didn't actually retire. He assumed a new identity, and is now known as Denis Dubourdieu. Of course that means your last point still stands.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Why are we worried at all. Do people remember when in fall 2002, for about 6 months, German Riesling was fashionable? Now you can find multiple vintages of Donnhoff, Willi Schaefer, Prum, what have you just about anywhere.
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But there was a permanent price jump.

Plus Hans Gunter Schwarz retired after that vintage. Surely you're not claiming that that was merely coincidence? I was all part of a Chirac-led conspiracy to make German wines less competitive.
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Just out of curiosity, how much were German wines before the price jump, on average? Was spatlese around $15?
 
Generally, I recall the really good spatlesen, which are now anywhere between 33 and 45, as being in the mid to upper 20s.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:

Hans Gunter Schwarz didn't actually retire.
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I understand that he's doing quite significant consulting these days, including von Buhl and Weegmller.
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When I commented on line that I had heard he was consulting at Weegmuller someone jumped down my throat saying it was no such thing and that the winemaker at Weegmuller certainly has no need of any help and it was insulting to suggest that he did. So I have no comment [emoticon deliberately omitted].

I also read at one point that he did some consulting for Alzinger back in the '90s?
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:

Hans Gunter Schwarz didn't actually retire.
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I understand that he's doing quite significant consulting these days, including von Buhl and Weegmller.
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I also read at one point that he did some consulting for Alzinger back in the '90s?
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You better shut your fucking mouth. As if Alzinger needs any help from that Schwarz cretin.

Asshole.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:

When I commented on line that I had heard he was consulting at Weegmuller someone jumped down my throat saying it was no such thing and that the winemaker at Weegmuller certainly has no need of any help and it was insulting to suggest that he did. So I have no comment [emoticon deliberately omitted].
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Well, it was about five years ago (when Weegmller was still with TT) that I met both Hans-Gunter Schwarz and Stephanie Weegmller-Scher (described on the Weegmller website as Kellermeisterin) and he definitely was consulting then as a friend. It is possible that his services no longer are used there.
 
He is no longer there. It was very short term.

And there are still plenty of great spatlese wines available in the $20s. 2009 Willi Schaefer Spatlese is a notable example. My 1997s cost $17.99, while the 2009 cost $27.99 (for Domprobst - Himmelreich was cheaper in both years).

At $17.99 there's no reason for Willi (or his son Christoph) to continue making the stuff, except out of sheer magnanimity for people who love Riesling.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Oh my. I could think of more deserving recipients of that epithet than Jay.
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No problem at all, I believe that I am correct in taking it in the spirit I assume to be intended {I wonder what sort of emoticon might have existed here}.
 
Yeah. I mean, you have to be awfully unfamiliar with Nathan to read that post as heartfelt.

Or, put another way: for fuck's sake, Ian...
 
The steepest price rise (ex-cellar) amongst the VDP producers that I recall was when the Euro was introduced. Prices have crept upwards every year since, but nothing too shocking, and in line with increased costs of production (e.g. helicopter spraying, cost of labour, bottling line charges). Which is to say that the producers' average margins per bottle have not increased tremendously.

And while most people rail against the CAP, many of the producers are grateful for the EU subsidies they get. For at least three (non-VDP) producers I know well, they are the difference between continuing operations and shutting down altogether.

The old joke about becoming a millionaire in wine is stale but no less true in the Mosel.
 
Just out of curiosity, how much were German wines before the price jump, on average? Was spatlese around $15?
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I paid $15 for Merkelbach Wurzgarten spatlese in the 2005 vintages which is one of my favorite rieslings ever, so I can't complaint much about German prices.
 
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