Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
That's funny.
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Thanks Bob, thanks a lot
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That's funny.
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Monkeys and boars here do similar agro damage...but I'm not sure which I'd rather not deal with. Not exactly predictable cuddly beasts.
Monkeys, for sure.
If ya got monkeys in your vyd it's pretty much time to pack it in... they're smart, persistent, and none of the local hunters want to shoot em... they look too much like us.
Hokkaido has neither boars nor monkeys, which is a good thing.
But we DO have bunnies from hell, and grizzlies.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Worst of all is Monkeys on your wine board. Sheesh.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
Bunnies from hell can be et, grizzlies present a completely different set of issues. Are there pepper spray deterrents to put on their marking posts?
I agree about the monkeys...just too damn close to us...but raid they do.
I agree about the monkeys...just too damn close to us...but raid they do.
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Bunnies from hell can be et, grizzlies present a completely differnt set of issues. Are there pepper spray deterrents to put on their marking posts?
With the grizzlies it's mostly a matter of putting up electric fencing, and trying to scare them off by making a lot of noise whenever you're in the vyd. They tend to be wary of people, and try their best to avoid contact.
Late autumn can be a problem, though, as they've often eaten through the supply of wild grapes and are looking to fatten up for winter hibernation... they become progressively bolder, and the results can be pretty serious... a friend lost about 1.5 tons of Bacchus to a bear over the course of three nights last year.
Not much you can do if the bears decide to come in and feed. Above all, you don't want to meet up with them... that doesn't happen very often, but when it does we humans almost always come out on the losing end of things.
Cheers,
originally posted by Bruce G.:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Bunnies from hell can be et, grizzlies present a completely differnt set of issues. Are there pepper spray deterrents to put on their marking posts?
With the grizzlies it's mostly a matter of putting up electric fencing, and trying to scare them off by making a lot of noise whenever you're in the vyd. They tend to be wary of people, and try their best to avoid contact.
Late autumn can be a problem, though, as they've often eaten through the supply of wild grapes and are looking to fatten up for winter hibernation... they become progressively bolder, and the results can be pretty serious... a friend lost about 1.5 tons of Bacchus to a bear over the course of three nights last year.
Not much you can do if the bears decide to come in and feed. Above all, you don't want to meet up with them... that doesn't happen very often, but when it does we humans almost always come out on the losing end of things.
Cheers,
Maybe in Japan, Bruce, but here in the US the bear invariably ends up as the loser. Even if the bear happens to escape the scene of the encounter, any bear that has attacked a human will be hunted down and probably killed. It's really a shame, too, since all the evidence suggests that the bear is probably smarter than the human as well as being bigger, faster and hungrier.
Mark Lipton
originally posted by MLipton:
Maybe in Japan, Bruce, but here in the US the bear invariably ends up as the loser. Even if the bear happens to escape the scene of the encounter, any bear that has attacked a human will be hunted down and probably killed. It's really a shame, too, since all the evidence suggests that the bear is probably smarter than the human as well as being bigger, faster and hungrier.
Mark Lipton
Mark:
The same is the case here too.
I was talking about accidental mtgs... if a brown bear is spotted in these parts the hunters will rally and try to track it. Re-location is never an option... the point is to put the bear down.
Thankfully, sport hunting for grizzlies is not allowed here, though.
originally posted by Bruce G.:
Mark:
The same is the case here too.
I was talking about accidental mtgs... if a brown bear is spotted in these parts the hunters will rally and try to track it. Re-location is never an option... the point is to put the bear down.
Thankfully, sport hunting for grizzlies is not allowed here, though.
Hmmm... I can't say that I'm all that surprised, but that's still a sad situation. At least here, relocation will be attempted in all cases that don't involve human injury, but that's the proverbial line in the sand (alas again).
Fortunately for me, all my grizzly encounters have taken place at a fair remove, with neither of us at all interested in greater intimacy. Black bears, OTOH, I have routinely chased out of camps in various of our National Parks.
Mark Lipton
Remind me to keep you tied up outside my tent at all times.originally posted by MLipton:
Black bears, OTOH, I have routinely chased out of camps in various of our National Parks.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Remind me to keep you tied up outside my tent at all times.originally posted by MLipton:
Black bears, OTOH, I have routinely chased out of camps in various of our National Parks.
You'll want me untied, I think, unless you plan on just offering me up for fodder, a not unreasonable stratagem.
Mark Lipton
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never mind the tent.
someone should have been tied outside the restaurant during dinner.
someone should have been tied outside the restaurant during dinner.
Apropos of nothing, I raised cattle.
We serve some tasty pig. I think it goes so nicely with the 'Tavijn Ruche that I matched it on the pairing menu.
Most folks seem to dig it.
Bob probably wouldn't.
Not sure if TW & D would let me kick him out of the restaurant, but I might try.
We serve some tasty pig. I think it goes so nicely with the 'Tavijn Ruche that I matched it on the pairing menu.
Most folks seem to dig it.
Bob probably wouldn't.
Not sure if TW & D would let me kick him out of the restaurant, but I might try.
My statement was somewhat in jest- I'm a believer in pretty big tent hospitality.
That said, my evangelism takes a different tack from Parker's. I understand where his values lie, and respect the apparent linear focus of his palate and projected ratings.
What I cannot abide is his disdain for my own values. I wish I could communicate them as effectively as he has, or somehow quantify them. My goal here at the restaurant is yes, put liquid in glasses that people appreciate, but also provide a context so that they can.
Some of my wines are difficult, or at least unfamiliar to most. And with our emphasis on a tasting menu and subsequent pairing I have a much more captive audience than many other places, which I try to respect. So when I do my tableside dance I do my best to tell people why things taste the way they do- to whatever extent possible, of course. If they're open, a rewiring of "weird," "new," or even "bad" can be turned into pleasure. It's like I'm cutting someone's first slice of stinky cheese- some folks aren't going to get it or like it regardless (though if I do my job even most of those will accept it as something simply not to their taste), while others will trust that it's "good" and rewire accordingly.
I don't think Bob is willing to do that. I'd love to see evidence to the contrary, but until then his seat might be better filled with someone else.
That said, my evangelism takes a different tack from Parker's. I understand where his values lie, and respect the apparent linear focus of his palate and projected ratings.
What I cannot abide is his disdain for my own values. I wish I could communicate them as effectively as he has, or somehow quantify them. My goal here at the restaurant is yes, put liquid in glasses that people appreciate, but also provide a context so that they can.
Some of my wines are difficult, or at least unfamiliar to most. And with our emphasis on a tasting menu and subsequent pairing I have a much more captive audience than many other places, which I try to respect. So when I do my tableside dance I do my best to tell people why things taste the way they do- to whatever extent possible, of course. If they're open, a rewiring of "weird," "new," or even "bad" can be turned into pleasure. It's like I'm cutting someone's first slice of stinky cheese- some folks aren't going to get it or like it regardless (though if I do my job even most of those will accept it as something simply not to their taste), while others will trust that it's "good" and rewire accordingly.
I don't think Bob is willing to do that. I'd love to see evidence to the contrary, but until then his seat might be better filled with someone else.
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next time I see RP at a tasting, I am going to sneak up behind him and go "baaaa"
Steven Spielmann
Steven Spielmann
Actually, by recognizing that an alternative wine value system exists - as he does here through his rant, by showing that he clearly understands what others like, whatever the superficial emotional freight of his language - Parker effectively undermines his own monolithic criteria of greatness in wine. Some people in our camp rip on Parker wines in a similar manner regularly; getting ripped back like this tacitly establishes parity. It's the refusal to acknowledge or comprehend that there could be alternative standards, which he has demonstrated at times in the past, that's really demeaning, insulting, etc. This is just fraternal bickering. Which kings don't engage in, unless it's with other kings.
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
An interesting take, and I do think a case can be made that this latest rant is actually progress for him. His previous rants against the "anti-flavor elite" or the "pleasure police" were almost comic in the way they assumed that anyone who hated his anointed wines really found them just as delicious as he did but was against deliciousness; it seemed the thought never even crossed his mind that anyone actually found them to taste bad and hated them for that reason.originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
Actually, by recognizing that an alternative wine value system exists - as he does here through his rant, by showing that he clearly understands what others like, whatever the superficial emotional freight of his language - Parker effectively undermines his own monolithic criteria of greatness in wine. Some people in our camp rip on Parker wines in a similar manner regularly; getting ripped back like this tacitly establishes parity. It's the refusal to acknowledge or comprehend that there could be alternative standards, which he has demonstrated at times in the past, that's really demeaning, insulting, etc. This is just fraternal bickering. Which kings don't engage in, unless it's with other kings.